A human rights monitor documented the sniping of at least 13 children in and around Shifa Hospital, all between the ages of 4 and 16.

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israel is still million times better than Iran and its proxies.

What the fuck? No it’s not. Israel is a literal Apartheid state. The fuck are they better than Iran.

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What the fuck you, guy. Utterly divorced from reality. Iran has as its guiding religious and political purpose the genocide of all Jews and Christians in the middle east, same goals as Hamas.

They think God is on their side and so they don’t realize that they are no match for Israel. When they do finally take their shot at Israel, tens of millions of people will be killed, notably when Israel turns Tehran into a sheet of glass. Think about how sads you are about 30,000 deaths and then try out how you might feel over 30,000,000 deaths. Utterly delusional assessment, as is calling Israel an apartheid state. The defining feature of apartheid is minority rule over the majority of its citizens. Israel doesn’t have that. Not only are Gazans not citizens of Israel, they aren’t citizens of any country. Israel is in fact, in law, and in political science a flawed democracy, same as America, which is by every concievable metric better than Iran, unless you use metrics such as “public executions carried out by secret religious police” or “number of human rights trampled because Mosque Daddy says so.”

It’s absolutely stunning that you don’t realize this and so I have to ask, how far did you go in school and what did you study?

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Doesn’t Iran have loyal Jewish citizens?

They should totally know they are about to be genocided… /s

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ran has as its guiding religious and political purpose the genocide of all Jews and Christians in the middle east, same goals as Hamas.

Uh… You do realize Hamas accepted a two-state solution ages ago, and that Gaza actually has Christians, right? I also hope you do realize that the fact that Gazans being stateless makes Israel more of an Apartheid state. Or maybe you’d prefer “settler colonialist state subjecting Palestinians to a brutal occupation”?

Anyway I’ll probably regret engaging with this steaming pile of propaganda, but I’ll ask: How do you feel about this, this and this?

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Uh… Literally yes. You’re strawmanning hard, but even with your strawman literally yes. Israel is just that bad.

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Israel is doing a literal genocide. It’s hard to get much worse than that.

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Are you seriously suggesting that Iran is better than Israel in any possible terms? Some people are so far up their ass.

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Uh… Only one of these is committing genocide. Only one is an Apartheid state. Only one supports fucking ISIS. Y’all need to get your heads out of your asses and look at reality.

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The concept of Transfer in Zionist thought and the displacement of Palestinians since the 1920s culminated into a full fledged ethnic cleansing campaign in 1948

The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948

Transfer Committee and the JNF led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate.

Plan Dalet and Plan C Details

Before 1948, Palestinian Leadership repeatedly advocated for a Unitary Binational State for decades.

Palestinian Arab Congress advocating for Unified State 1928, Arab Higher Committee advocating for Unified State 1937 , Arab League advocating for Unified Binational State 1948

History of peace process

If Israel disappeared, a State where Palestinians have equal rights to Israelis would take its place.

How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe

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Now do the concept of genociding every Jew and Christian in the middle east and the concept of blowing yourself up inside a coffee shop or doing a mass shooting at a kids concert.

If Israel disappeared, a State where Palestinians have equal rights to Israelis would take its place.

Bro, Hamas’s motto, same as the motto of every other pan-Islamist violent religious extremists in the middle east, “Death to Israel and death to America.”

They literally think God has ordained them to be the true rules of the entire world. They call it “restoring Islam to its rightful place” or they call it a “new world order free from infidels” or “the caliphate.”

Like where do you even get this fictitious nonsense?

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Oslo Accords MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ

History of peace process

Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.

What Is Hamas? - Council on Foreign Relations

What Does Hamas Actually Want? - NY Mag

Hamas Election - Snopes

Hamas 1988 Charter and Revised 2017 Charter

The 1988 Charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. The 2017 Revised charter accepts a Two-State Solution of the 1967 Borders. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised charter

The slogan From the River to the Sea is about Palestinian liberation that started in the 60s by the PLO for a democratic secular state, not Genocide. Maybe you’re thinking of the Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad in 1966.

Like where do you even get this fictitious nonsense?

I don’t hide my sources. I don’t know where you get your fictitious nonsense besides the IDF.

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Genocide against Palestinians is okay because you are racist against Iranians (a country the US and Israel is oddly keen on sabotaging in every way possible).

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Their ‘proxies’ are actually responding to Israeli genocide, I have more respect for Houthi rebels than most governments.

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How would it be far worse? And for whom?

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For the locals because these terrorist proxies do not seem to care about civilians at all

There’s a reason it’s the US and not Iran that is known for bombing weddings. Not that I like Iran, but only one of them is called the Great Satan.

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The tens of millions of people of Iran after Israel retaliates, maybe the people in parts of Israel where Iron Dome can’t stop all of Iran’s missile, and the hundreds of millions of people throughout the Middle East, North Africa, and western and central Europe would will deal see a cascade of failed states stemming from a humanitarian and refugee catastrophe unlike anything the world has ever experienced. Like 30,000 people is a short footnote compared to 30,000,000, or the 300,000,000 dead and displaced we could see if col

And this is not difficult or hard to understand, but you do have to be able to set aside your sadness over 30,000 and think rationally about the 30,000,000. This the baseline from which America and virtually the entire political and foreign service contingencies of the western world derive their middle east policy. It’s all about isolating Iran.

Hamas actually is an ideology of genocideal violence and indiscriminate killing of civilians and is Iran’s proxy right on the border of America’s ally and the only democracy in the region.

The key point is there is that theocratic dictatorships desired by Iran, ISIS, Hamas, the Houthis, Islamic Jihad, and other, are fundamentally incapable of establishing or protecting human rights because their laws are based on religious whims of a one or two extreme religious muckity mucks.

So like, anyone actually concerned about humanity and human rights and yet throwing their weight in behind Iran or its proxies, against Israel, is doing the opposite of what they are concerned for. I know it’s hard. 30,000 people, very sad. Not nearly as sad as it could get, quickly and easily, though, if Iran jumps off.

There are plenty of people who know way more about this than I do who think hot war between Israel and Iran is imminent. If Trump gets reelected, he will definitely try to start it. He already did once, and the only reason it stopped is because when Iran responded, they accidentally shot down its own civilian airliner.

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Hamas actually is an ideology of genocideal violence and indiscriminate killing of civilians and is Iran’s proxy right on the border of America’s ally and the only democracy in the region.

Man almost half the people Israel rules (Gaza and the West Bank are occupied no matter how much Zionists would like to believe otherwise, source: UN) don’t have voting (or human for that matter) rights. And we’re seeing them crack down on dissent using extrajudicial (or effectively extrajudicial) arrests as we speak. Democracy my ass.

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