Raising this dead article as Microsoft now delivers extended support pricing details for those who choose not to migrate to the newer version of Windows. The one they were told they’d not ever have to migrate to

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Windows 10 had ads from the start. That was the biggest complaint about it on release, and the fact that people hate 11 and are ok with 10 on that baffles me.

And somewhat coincidentally the bing shit was added to 10 before 11 got it.

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Windows 11 is so much worse. Windows has always been problematic but now Microsoft is forcing AI, Edge, One drive and teams. You can’t use up to date Windows without the BS. Windows 10 is now just as bad as Windows 11

That’s what happens when one company has pretty much exclusive control over most consumer machines.

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All removable.

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No, not really. Even if it was it is still annoying to do and is confusing for most people.

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Not really. W11 doesn’t pass my company privacy and security certification (we deal with a lot of sensitive data). A lot of stuff, specially the intrusive AI hooks into the filesystem cannot be removed. I mean, you can remove them to the point that a user won’t notice or think that the AI was there. But there’s a bunch of under the hood shit that still makes it a liability. Even just disabling the Bing AI BS on Edge doesn’t actually remove it, it just makes it invisible to the user. Just like OneDrive and Teams cannot be actually removed, they just exist and act out of the user eye, but we actually pay to use those so the evaluation is different. But the AI crap is not transparent enough to even be audited by an independent third party. We are already a bit weirded out by Teams auto transcript that just listens to all chats and all meeting at all times. But that shit is so bad that it never gets a single word correct. We received proof that the transcript runs locally and never leaves our sharepoint server, so we tolerate it. MS is just crap all around when you actually need to be secure or private.

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