DOZENS? Dozens. For real, dozens???
52 to be precise
Please list for me every utility company that will actually provide electricity service to your home.
- All-in-power
- ANWB Energie
- Budget Energie
- Clean Energy
- Coolblue energie
- DELTA
- DGB energie
- EasyEnergie
- Eneco
- Energie VanOns
- Energiedirect.nl
- Energyhouse
- EnergyZero
- Engie
- Essent
- Frank Energie
- Greenchoice
- GreenNL
- GroeneStroomLokaal
- Groenpand
- Gulf Gas + Power
- HalloStroom
- HEM
- Hezelaer Energy
- HVC
- Innova Energie
- Kikker Energie
- Mega Energie
- Mijndomein Energie
- NextEnergy
- NieuweStroom
- Noord Energie
- om | nieuwe energie
- Oxxio
- Powerpeers
- PSV Energie
- Pure Energie
- Qwint
- Scholt Energy
- SEFE Energy
- Shell Energy
- The Bill Doctor
- Tibber
- TotalEnergies
- UnitedConsumers
- Vandebron
- VanHelder
- Vattenfall
- Vrijopnaam
- WoonEnergie
- Zondergas
- Zonneplan
I’m gonna commit to this. How does this work? I looked and according to the Internet TenneT is the sole operator of the national electrical grid in the Netherlands. Do you have 52 power lines running to your home? What do these companies do if they don’t actually produce the electricity or operate the grid?
I have precisely one power company that services about 5 million residents here where I live. No other options. This is the case for almost all Americans as far as I’m aware, outside of a few specific municipality-run power organizations, but those are exceedingly rare.
In Australia, and I assume the Netherlands, the transmission network is separately owned and run by government corporations. While multiple private companies are allowed to generate power and sell to customers on the government owned grid.
Interesting, I’ve never heard of this before but I suspect you’re right. Was it always this way in Australia? I can’t for the life of me figure out how America could be convinced to make its way towards this, but this sort of arrangement seems like a pretty ideal middle-ground.
How does this work? I looked and according to the Internet TenneT is the sole operator of the national electrical grid in the Netherlands. Do you have 52 power lines running to your home?
TenneT runs the what is called the ‘koppelnet’ (linking network). This is a high-voltage network that links the power stations together and also links to the europe-wide electrical high voltage network. Locally, the distribution networks form the link between the high-voltage net and your home. It first goes to a medium-voltage network and finally a low-voltage network. In my case the distribution network is owned by Enexis.
Neither Enexis or TenneT produce power. TenneT is owned by the government, Enexis is a private company but these are heavily regulated (e.g. there are caps on how much profit they are allowed to make).
As a consumer, you pay a fixed amount per day for use of the distribution network. You pay this through your normal energy bill. This is specified separately on the bill. In my case this means I pay €426,95 a year to Enexis. This fee is purely based on the size of my connection to the grid, in my case 3 phase 25 amps. It doesn’t change if I use more or less power.
As for where my electricity comes from? I don’t know, because it changes constantly and with how electricity works, I’m not even sure if this question makes sense. All power producers together keep the grid supplied with enough power. Power stations across the country are linked together and how the generated power is distributed is monitored and adjusted constantly. This also includes capacity from other European countries, as those grids are linked too.
Lots of people have solar panels nowadays and if they produce more than they need they can supply that back to the grid as well and get paid for it (it basically means their electricity meter runs backwards).
What do these companies do if they don’t actually produce the electricity or operate the grid?
A bunch of them do produce the electricity, but as I said the power plants are connected to the nation-wide linking network. There is no direct relation between any of these power plants and my home. They can also pay someone else to produce it for them. This could be someone in a completely different country. A bunch is produced locally through solar panels and sold to the power company by consumers.
Some smaller companies may not produce anything themselves and just buy it somewhere, but where als can vary day by day and hour by hour. They will buy it wherever they can get the best deal at that time.
All that matters is that they make sure they provide enough energy to the national grid to cover the use of their customers. How it’s actually distributed is completely separate.
Note that due to how the energy market works, electricity prices change hour by hour. In my case I have a contract with a fixed price for a certain amount of time (1 year, but you can get longer contracts), but it’s also possible as a consumer to get a completely flexible contract. That means the price you pay for electricity changes every hour, based on the actual market price (plus a markup for the energy company of course). Especially during the day when lots of solar power is available, the price can drop a lot. There have even been cases where the price was negative for a short while (i.e. you got paid to use electricity) due to overproduction. If you have a flex contract, your energy company usually has an app that will tell you the current price and the expected price for the next couple of hours.
I have precisely one power company that services about 5 million residents here where I live. No other options.
So if their power plant goes down 5 million people are without power? That sounds extremely fragile.
So I’ve been thinking a lot about this. With a few exceptions you’re actually pretty close to describing what we have in the States. There is more than one power producer in my state, and all the producers feed into the same grid whose infrastructure is regulated by the government. If a producer fails to produce, I can still get access to the electricity on the grid, but the key difference is that most of the delivery infrastructure is fully owned and operated by the same companies that do the production. I think we’re getting hung up on the difference between provider and producer, which in America is mostly always the same thing.
It sounds like the Netherlands does in fact have two power providers then in the form of Enexis and TenneT, at least as I understand the term “provider” as we use it here. Or do you also maintain contracts/payments with individual power production firms that you haven’t already described? What is the benefit of maintaining a contract with any of these companies if they already sold the power to Enexis/TenneT and they don’t do any other administration services?
Our system is indeed fragile and I wish we could figure it out. I was a little off, DTE Energy services 2.3 million customers for power. We regularly experience outages affecting people into the hundreds of thousands. There’s no incentive for them to improve the infrastructure since they’re a monopoly. Most of the power here is delivered via free-standing poles instead of underground lines, which are obviously prone to issues related to wind/snow/trees. It fucking sucks. Even just separating the delivery system from private business would be a monumental shift.