Comment by rambaroo@beehaw.org on High school boys are trending conservative

While many believe young people are becoming more liberal, data shows that 12th grade boys are nearly twice as likely to identify as conservative compared to liberal. Around 25% of high school seniors identify as conservative while only 13% identify as liberal. In contrast, the share of 12th grade girls identifying as liberal has risen to 30%. Many factors may contribute to this trend, including the rhetoric of Donald Trump which appealed to disaffected young men, and the focus of progressive movements on issues of gender and racial equality which some young men perceive as a “matriarchy.” However, most high school seniors claim no political identity, and many boys in high school do not actively discuss

The rate of girls identitying as liberal is significantly higher and unlike the conservative boys, the rate hasn’t started dropping off. Probably because the girls face actual threats to their freedoms, while the conservative boys’ complaints are about a bunch of imaginary nonsense.

But of course it’s boys who get the headline. The hill is a right wing dumpster bin.

This is definitely right-wing trash. However, we should be using headlines like this to fire up the country. Everyone knows that “republican” men think they have the last say about reproductive rights. Let’s use their own “reports” to show those women that their boyfriends/husbands/fathers think they own them.

That’s a little bit sexist

while the conservative boys’ complaints are about a bunch of imaginary nonsense.

The verbalized complaints, yes.

The passive misandry that’s pushing boys right is a very real thing.

Please define passive misandry

A dismissal or lack of consideration for the unique issues facing men and boys and the unique solutions they require. Focusing exclusively on women and girls. Viewing boys as defective girls.

In this thread, here’s a few specific examples

Let’s use their own “reports” to show those women that their boyfriends/husbands/fathers think they own them.

The rate of girls identitying as liberal is significantly higher[…]Probably because the girls face actual threats to their freedoms, while the conservative boys’ complaints are about a bunch of imaginary nonsense.

I was a “Fox News”-viewing turd in high school, too[…]then I grew up.

It’s passive because it’s not direct and focused. It’s more neglect than abuse. Men’s problems are not just secondary; they’re not even worth consideration, and men should just Fix It Themselves.

Schools in particular are extremely geared towards focusing on girls and their successful development.

What male -specific rights are currently threatened or actively being removed?

Several boys only organizations or programs have changed to accepting all genders. Meanwhile, most girls only organizations or programs have remained girls only.

This is right wing nonsense right here ^

What you just said (even if it were true, which I don’t actually believe to be the case) what you said is NOT-infringing on anyone’s rights.

So what? That has nothing to do with anyone’s rights. Girls are facing having their body autonomy stripped away and the best you can come up with for boys is that they don’t have boys only orgs at school anymore?

Conservatives are so fucking soft.

WTF does that matter? Are you seriously making the argument that the only people who matter are ones whose rights are threatened?

Attitudes like this are the reason the alt-right is rising in this country. Good grief there’s so many opinions in here that are just rank, literally stomach turning.

Recess. Unstructured outdoor play including monitored roughhousing.

lol what are you smoking? Recess hasn’t gone anywhere lmao. In fact, I fucking wish I had as cool of a playground for recess as my nephew does when I was a kid. Shit’s fancy as fuck, all kinds of monkey bars, rock walls, a puke-a-tron that puts the merry-go-rounds of old to shame, etc… Mind you, he goes to school in a super liberal school district of an already very liberal state. The park district playgrounds have gotten way cooler too, one of the playgrounds at my local park has a fucking zipline now.

The fact that fucking recess is the best you could come up with, and it’s just blatantly not even fucking true, says it all.

Also, girls like outdoor recess too, MORE so than boys, actually, in my experience. What a weird thing to gender.

Do you have kids? I do. My boy has more than enough unstructured outdoor play and comes home scraped up all the time. I’ve volunteered as a lunch / recess monitor. They’re doing just fine and doing young boy things.

Did you know that we currently still have almost exactly the same school form that we had when school was for boys only? It was literally designed with only boys in mind. That the sexism girls face, which makes them more compliant and more pleasing for teachers, is now seen as an attack on boys is hilarious. When you want them to be equally liked by the teachers you will have to punish boys as much as girls for being rough. You have to encourage boys as well to stay clean, play domestic shit indoors and care more for their social appearance. Because that’s what giving girls their current “advantage”.

Lol recess is a right now?

Yeah, I’m not buying it. The Patriarchy is real, and whatever imagined neglect you think is happening is so far removed from the reality of what women have to deal with all day every day that it’s laughable. Won’t someone think of the poor dominant class?

Conservatives are thinking of them. They’re the only ones, apparently. Is it any wonder that’s where their allegiance goes?

“Haha, fuck you and everyone like you” is a terrible way to persuade people to your side.

Won’t someone think of the poor dominant class?

12th Grade boys are a dominant class? Not only is that statement totally lacking empathy but its also ignoring the evidence that Girls now graduate High School and College at rates well exceeding Boys. If there is a dominant “class” for the 12th Graders it’s Girls and not Boys.

Talking about the issues women and girls face is not an attack on men and boys.

Talking exclusively about the issues women and girls face is, though.

Why? Following your logic it would also be sexist against women to write an article or start a discussion without addressing women’s issues as well. Wouldn’t it also be racist and ableist if you don’t talk about the issues minorities face? Don’t you see how this doesn’t make sense?

It’s not discrimatory against all other “groups” if you bring up the issues of one group.

while the conservative boys’ complaints are about a bunch of imaginary nonsense.

Ah yes, the education gap is imaginary nonsense.

Are you hearing yourself? Because what you’re saying is not only gross but grossly dismissive. Be better.

Oh shit an education gap? Better attack minorities, take away women’s rights, burn a bunch of books and accelerate full speed into the brick wall of climate change.

The reality is that conservatives aren’t trying to address any actual problems facing young men, they’re just trying to turn their disillusionment into votes and gun sales.

Calmly approach anyone in the education sector with this study, without the “nobody cares about men anymore!” theatrics and you’ll have millions of people – mostly “leftists” – with thoughts on how to improve things.

Yeah that’s why they’re always pushing things like “a higher minimum wage (but only for women and minorities)” and “universal healthcare (and by universal we mean just women and minorities)”.

And who votes against it?

But of course it’s boys who get the headline. The hill is a right wing dumpster bin.

Flaming dumpster bin!

It’s just journalism in general. “Girls are liberal” is pretty much a non-story, it’s expected. You don’t publish those.

“High school boys are becoming more conservative” can be seen as surprising by many, and thus newsworthy.

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