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The scientific consensus should change your mind if you’re on the fence and scientifically literate

Consensus also said homosexuality was a mental illness. Would you have agreed just because the scientist said 99.9% agree? I wouldn’t have.

On any topic, you shouldn’t assume consensus is always right. You should read on the topic and try to understand the science.

Scientist also suggested stupid things like carbon credits. It’s greenwashing.

Whatever we do, it needs to be focused, sustainable and effective. We only get one shot at this to do it right.

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No, I like to think I also wouldn’t have agreed with consensus on homosexuality’s (remember that I don’t agree with consensus on eating animals, so I agree that blindly following a majority isn’t always the smart move.

However, you’ve fallen into two very specific traps - let me explain:

A) Homosexuality isn’t science, it’s morality - and we’ve seen time and time again that the majority of people often fall on the wrong side of history

B) Science is sometimes wrong, yes. However, we don’t know which as lay people are going to be wrong, so it would be as futile as randomly not trusting science on any of the other topics I mentioned (do you think they are doing MRI machines wrong?). On the contrary, anybody can understand and weigh in on moral topics. However, while you can read some pop science articles and listen to opinions about well-studied scientific topics, but you simply don’t have the extensive background to be informed enough to contribute anything but noise, doubt and misinformation to the conversation.

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A) Homosexuality isn’t science, it’s morality - and we’ve seen time and time again that the majority of people often fall on the wrong side of history

No it’s science. It’s an insult to say psychiatrist isn’t science. It’s a branch of medicine. We deal with mental health issues and when I started medical school that was around the time homosexuality we removed from the DSM which isn’t a morality book.

Margret Sanger pushed abortion to lower the black population due to her belief they were inferior.

That was morality. That was the scientific belief of the time.

I can go on and on but I think you get the point.

You may read pop science but I actually publish im journals. We are not the same.

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We’re talking at cross purposes. I am absolutely not saying there is no science in the genetics or psychology of homosexuality, I’m saying that opposing the antiquated idea that homosexuality is unacceptable was, and is, a question of morality that requires no science - that anyone can weigh in on. In principle, can you understand where I’m coming from? The difference between a matter of human respect and challenging decades of PhD level research outside of one’s field?

If you’re actually a published climate scientist, then you are absolutely entitled to have your view listened to, but with all due respect, I find it hard to believe that you wouldn’t mention that morsel up until now, as that would be kind of key to this discussion. Given that I’m also a sceptical person (though in a different way perhaps), I feel a little doubtful and suspect this is the point where you tell me that your identity and your published work is conveniently secret - but please, tell me I’m wrong. Even in that (sorry, but unlikely) eventuality, that would entitle you to your view, but the other rational laypeople like me would be better served by assuming the correctness of the current scientific consensus until you make significant enough traction to be able to convince your fellow climate scientists.

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