Amid heightened tensions between China and Taiwan, Chinese President Xi Jinping told a former Taiwanese president who supports unification that the countries “belong” together.

“Differences in systems cannot change the fact that both sides of the Taiwan Straits belong to the same country and nation,” Xi said.

“External interference cannot stop the historical trend of reunion of the country and family,” Xi said, in comments reported by Taiwanese media and published by Reuters.

Beijing claims the independent island of Taiwan is a Chinese province and has threatened to use force to achieve unification. China frequently sends warplanes and naval vessels to circle the small island democracy and has been mounting an increasing number of military drills over recent years.

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83 points

Why does Xi think he gets any say? He’s showing his full hand already, and it’s actually pathetic. Already saying that it will have to be taken by force. So he’s admitting that the people of Taiwan, if given a choice, may not choose to join China. Let’s give everyone a vote guaranteed by international overwatch, none of those mainland representatives.

This is just another dictator having a whiny shitstorm threatening to take territory by force just because they want their historical empire.

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Because the winds are blowing in his favour. Xi (and the rest of the world) have watched Russia take land with little repercussion. The reaction to the invasion of Crimea was mild and allowed for the full on invasion years later. The rules have changed and now leaders are seeing that taking land, which used to be seen as a relic of the past, is back on the menu.

The US and a lot of the west is afraid to get involved and do what needs to be done to stop Putin, and Xi knows that if he waits for the perfect moment Taiwan will be his.

The US is building domestic chip manufacturing in case they lose TSMC, and once it’s operational one of the main reasons they consider Taiwan an asset will be gone. Xi likely is hoping the war in Ukraine and Israel will continue and “news fatigue” will render people uninterested in a new conflict. I’m not sure what the final nail will be that makes him move, but a controllable president like Trump getting in is a good bet.

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I think there are two differences between Taiwan and Ukraine: Putin is fucking insane and might actually use nukes if attacked directly by a NATO nation, but I don’t think Xi would do that (I could be wrong on both assessments). And Ukraine doesn’t really have anything the world wants, while Taiwan (like you correctly pointed out) is about the only place that makes high performance computer chips and nobody wants China to have a world-wide stranglehold on that product.

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I think, before any chip maker in Taiwan is taken by chinese forces, their factories and laboritories might explode for some reason or another. I don’t think that China can take them without catastrophic loss of very expensive and sensitive equipment that requires very specialised workers they don’t have. All of these things can’t be replaced in a reasonable time frame, especially at war.

If China follows through with an invasion, they might be after something else.

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Ukraine is a huge exporter of grain. Breadbasket to much of the world. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/07/ukraine-s-food-exports-by-the-numbers/.

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I think Putin is out of touch and lives with a completely different world view than you or I, but I don’t think he is insane or suicidal. Look at how far away he stayed from people during COVID.

I think we do ourselves a disservice by bowing down to his sabre rattling every time he reminds us he has nukes. We know, and he also knows the second one will drop on his head if he tries it. It’s just posturing to get people likrnus arguing and making his land grab seem more legitimate, like there’s nothing we can really do.

He will always have nukes, and if we alwuas back down because not them he will always get his way.

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Ukraine has 24% of the world’s supply of noble gasses used in computer chip manufacturing, along with 35% of the remaining helium on the planet.

I think the Russians want this very much and that is why Russia is even in Ukraine.

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The US is providing funding for companies like TSMC and Intel to buld fabs in the US. The reality is that TSMC is having a very hard time hiring and deal with cultural gaps between Asian working mindset vs. American working mindset. There’s going to be some serious pain getting these fabs up and running.

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Because the world has said Taiwan is part of China. That’s why. The world needs to recognize Taiwan as its own nation. Everyone wanted that cheap labor in China and ignored Taiwan.

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Unfortunately, the main reason the world won’t recognize Taiwan as its own nation is because it doesn’t have UN status as a nation. And the only way to get status as a nation is get all 5 votes from the UN Security Council. China is on the UN Security Council.

The US is providing military and money to help defend Taiwan from China, but at the same time does not recognize them as independent from China. The whole one-vote veto in the UN is fucking stupid.

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The irony is that Taiwan once held that UN security-council seat. I do believe the people of China needs to be represented in the UN, but doing so at the cost of Taiwanese people’s representation completely defeats the purpose of having a UN in the first place.

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Taiwanese people don’t want the island to be recognized as its own nation though. They benefit from close economic relations with the mainland and so are happy to maintain the status quo. The majority voted against pro independence candidates in recent elections, something this article fails to mention. That of course doesn’t mean Taiwanese people trust the mainland nor do they want to be politically integrated into it. However the situation is more nuanced than many western media outlets would have you believe.

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Being reported as Chinese propaganda, but as usual the truth seems to be more nuanced than that…

I will admit, I am not Chinese and my understanding of the deeper issues is imperfect at best, but according to here:

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/taiwan/taiwan-already-independent

The Taiwanese people DEFINITELY do not want Unification, but at the same time, they see an official declaration of statehood as superfluous.

It’s not so much that they don’t WANT independence, it’s that, as far as they see it, they already ARE independent, no declaration necessary.

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At some point you have to shit or get off the pot. Either they are part of China or they are not.

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That sweet cheap labor tho …

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That’s been the problem. We built a hostile nation by using cheap labor, giving them technology and now act surprised when they turn aggressive. American companies have some weird notion that countries will advanced pass being cheaper labor and will be actively competing against you

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He’s not saying it will have to be taken by force. Where did you read that? He’s implying that China is willing to use force but he’s not asserting that the use of force is necessary if that makes sense.

If you want to understand the situation you have to understand that Taiwanese only remained politically independent thanks to US intervention in the Chinese civil war. When the nationalists fled to Taiwan the US stationed a fleet between the island and the mainland. That prevented the communists from finishing the fight against Chiang Kai-shek’s fascist KMT. The US then supported the KMT as the legitimate government of China right up until Kissinger realized the US could ally with the CPC against the USSR.

Given their long victimhood at the hands of colonialist and imperialist nations, the CPC is worried about what allowing Taiwanese independence would mean for their national security. They see foreign support for Taiwanese independence as the continued meddling of outside powers in Chinese affairs. That said I imagine they would be more amicable with maintaining Taiwanese political independence under the umbrella of an economic union if the US agreed to stop funding pro independence groups in Taiwan.

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5 points

What a joke. This is the same China that whined about Japan in Manchuria while they themselves invaded Vietnam and Laos.

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None of the people in this thread want historical context or material analysis. They’ve been propagandized to think of China as an evil empire while they live in one 1000x worse. I can’t wait to watch this trend continue (/s)

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Honestly I think people just get defensive when their worldview is challenged. It sucks but it is what it is.

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