Most cases of abortion are illegal in Germany, which report says is not compatible with international standards
Abortions in Germany should be legalised within the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, a government-appointed commission has recommended.
While abortion is rarely punished, it remains illegal in Germany, except for specific circumstances including when a woman’s life is in danger, or she is a victim of rape, while the prerequisite for any termination is a consultation with a state-recognised body.
Advocates of a law change have welcomed the investigation into the country’s legal framework, calling the law outdated and detrimental to women. Even in the cases not considered illegal, the procedure must take place within the first three months, except when there is a compelling reason to carry it out later.
The all-female expert commission on reproductive self-determination and reproductive medicine was set up by Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s three-party government after the desire to change the 153-year-old law was anchored in its coalition agreement.
As an American I’m shocked how many European countries have stronger restrictions than the United states.
Yeah at least in theory lol, some of those countries aren’t even very religious, would expect looser rules on this
I’m pro-choice. I just always assumed much of Europe was pro-choice as that’s what I had been told. Just interesting when it pops up in the news that’s it’s not.
It’s a bit more complicated than that. Here in Germany, while abortions are illegal (since fetuses are considered humans by law), it is decriminalized. It’s more about technicalities. You do have the choice though. It’s not as easy as going to an abortion clinic and half an hour later you’re done but if you got pregnant on accident (or by force) or have a medical need for abortion, there’s always a way. If it was just an accident, however, you do have to pay for the abortion yourself, unless you can’t afford it. Also, there is a mandatory counseling session.
Germany is quite big on not having too easy answers to ethical questions. Roe vs. Wade pretty much said “fetuses aren’t even people who cares”, while the German position is “fetuses develop as, not to, humans”, thus there’s a rights conflict which has to be addressed in some way or the other.
I don’t think anything much will change in practice, this will end with some definition changes (decriminalised vs. legal) and some reforms around pregnancy counselling as well as making sure that counselling and abortion are actually properly available (looking at you, Bavaria), maybe reforms around costs for abortions (at-will are not considered medically necessary thus health insurance doesn’t cover it, but if you’re poor the state will cover it, aftercare in any case is medically necessary thus paid by insurance). The overall tenor will still be “the state has a duty to minimise the number of abortions, primarily by social and welfare means”, the constitutional court would void any law that implies otherwise very quickly.
On the flip-side a total ban would be completely unthinkable: Abortions for medical or criminological reasons count as self-defence, no questions asked, no arguments to be had. Evaluation in either case is up to the medical profession, no need for a guilty verdict or any such stuff.
It’s really just social safety nets that Europe is more liberal about. Many things are fairly conservative. The protected designation of origin laws are a pretty good example.
I’ve never thought much about the origination laws. Why do you consider them conservative? Seems more about keeping labeling honest. I only know a few instance such as parm cheese and champagne
There’s nothing special about the champagne region that makes it better for sparkling wine than some other region. Similar for parmesan or kobe beef. It’s absolutely a conservative view to say only things from the original area can use the name.
*than the less restrictive states in the US.
What sets the US apart is how wildly the laws vary by state, with 10 states currently allowing no exceptions for rape, incest, or life of the mother, i.e total, or near-total, bans.
In contrast, while many countries in Europe limit abortions to a point between 12 and 20 weeks, there are almost always exceptions and circumstances where an abortion can be granted medical approval.
I’m not against stays putting restrictions on abortion but I think several states have effectively banned it which I’m not ok with. Personally i think it’s an overly religious argument in America rather than a logical one.
In that case, you are well within the majority of Americans. What’s odd is why Republicans appear hellbent on pushing extreme religious views into law when much of the country is against it.
Which 10 states would those be? I don’t know of any state that prohibits an abortion when the life of the mother is at risk.
https://abc7ny.com/amp/abortion-ban-map-where-banned-restricted-protected/13299140/
Here’s a more recent breakdown.
https://www.cnn.com/us/abortion-access-restrictions-bans-us-dg/index.html
You’re right in that many of the states where abortion is banned supposedly allow exceptions when the life of the mother is at risk, but in real terms that often translates to healthcare providers being too scared to carry out the procedure, or leaving it too late, for fear of legal repercussions.
The headline really is misleading. Abortion is allowed and performed regularly before 12 weeks pc/14 weeks pm. It is more of a formal change because an outdated paragraph makes it a crime, yet it is decriminalized and not prosecuted.
The more problematic part of that paragraph was that “advertising abortion” is illegal, i.e. mentioning that you perform abortions in your office on a website etc was illegal and could still be criminalized. That put people in a position when they had to call office after office to ask whether they perform abortions instead of just googling it. That was a hassle and impractical and punishing women when they are in a vulnerable place to begin with. (Hell I can’t even make a phone call to make a regular doctor’s appointment.)
But the first part is mostly about language. Abortion being a crime that is not punished implies that women, despite having legal access to abortion, still do something wrong (and de facto illegal) in the eyes of the state and the law.
The more problematic part of that paragraph was that “advertising abortion” is illegal,
Noone cared about doctors having a quick paragraph about in on their webpage before an US evangelical went to court over it and courts found no way to interpret the language but to consider it advertisement, so they changed the law. AFAIU it was always intended to mean “don’t have billboards” but apparently the courts disagreed. IIRC they also added a register thing so that places offering counselling can give women a list of providers near them.
