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-12 points

If I can’t believe any of the good campaign promises from biden because everyone lies, why should we take the scary campaign promises of republicans seriously?

It really leads to apathy in the voter base.

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For the same reason we take Biden seriously: Legalization has progressed in universally all blue states, has it not?

Ergo, you answered your own question: promises often come to fruition.

So let’s not risk letting Republican promises become reality, such as the promise of overturning Roe… Righhtttt?

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-7 points

youre trying to make yourself sound rational here and its really starting yl break down, dude.

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lolwut.

Indeed, I believe everyone should strive for rationality.

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-7 points

promises often come to fruition.

It’s more like he’s bandwagoning something that now has popular support, without actually accomplishing much.

If he was serious he could reappoint DEA and other positions. Or an executive order to be challenged in court, etc.

Both Biden and his VP are on record as being anti marijuana before this last campaign. Biden as recently as when he was VP himself.

Bidens campaign has also fired or removed staffers for prior marijuana use.

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Let’s review this as I’m seeing goalpost moving and circular reasoning present, forgetting curiously strange double-standards in where one directs their attention:

  • I highlight the fact that all Marijuana legalization, decriminalization initiatives, referendums have come under the Democratic party with Democratic states being the trailblazers
  • You ignore this fact.
  • You Pivot to why Biden is making promises he can’t keep
  • I point to the fact that this is universal and the promise would be kept if it wasn’t for Republican Obstruction
  • I ask why you concern yourself so much with Biden and not the obvious Republican obstructionists and their base whom you would be better served convincing in their comment threads.
  • Again, you ignore this inquiry.
  • You pivot to downplaying Trump’s bad promises because they MIGHT be obstructed (rightfully so) by Democrats. (Forget the fact that one GOP/Trump Promise of overturning Roe came to fruition)
  • I thus this proves my point.
  • You, again, ignore this, then circle back to why Biden isn’t trying harder. This is ostensibly victim-blaming. In other words, “Why isn’t the hero of the story not doing MORE to overcome the villain!?”

It’s more like he’s bandwagoning something that now has popular support, without actually accomplishing much.

Yes, it’s pretty normal that popular things are often adopted by Presidential candidates. Kind of a no-brainer, don’t you think? As I said before: (1) It’s popular, and (2) Biden needs those youth voters. If it’s so popular, why isn’t Trump doing it? Why are Republicans so opposed? This finally begs the question: Why WOULDN’T Biden support it if he could? The answer is: there is no valid reason, which means Republicans are largely to blame while the workarounds are cumbersome and even run the risk of wasting time in front of the conservative Supreme Court, jeopordizing future attempts at decriminalization.

Politicians change minds. Legalization has become far more popular in recent times. At the end of the day, like it or not, Democrats and Biden are still the best pathways toward decriminalization. We certainly won’t get anything out of Trump and Republicans (which it strikes me as odd you tried to downplay Trump above).

At this point if it looks quacks and acts like a duck it probably is one. To bystanders reading this thread, this user demonstrates all classic signs of a right-wing operative intending to gaslight, sow defeatism, and wedge-drive Democrats.

You will see more of this, sadly.

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why should we take the scary campaign promises of republicans seriously?

Because the scary promises have support from those currently in power and are therefore much more likely to be implemented. Nice promises of change with support from the people are far less likely because the they face not only resistance from the opposing party, but the people are easily propagandized (by those currently in power) to not vote or vote against their interests.

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I dunno being visibly queer under trump didn’t feel worse than under biden.

the policies were worse but most people accepted that resisting the government was necessary. if its all that broken, this might actually be better.

maybe I’ll change my tune if the dems decide to run a candidate who isn’t dangling us over the ledge of fascism to appease his geriatric ego.

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I dunno being visibly queer under trump didn’t feel worse than under biden.

Where are you? I could mostly say the same thing living in a blue area, but I’m not willing to throw my LGBTQIA fam under the bus because I’m pissy about Democrats. Fascism is a silly threat being dangled by Biden, it’s a risk you and I take of being thrown in the oven.

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I’m really struggling to understand how you don’t understand how this works. I have to conclude you’re doing this in bad faith, given you implied your age is pretty high.

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What part do I not understand?

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That they aren’t promises but goals. The Biden administration (and about every administration) works towards everything they say they’ll do, how much they get done is determined by their majority and the willingness of the opposition to work with them.

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