Comment by Linkerbaan@lemmy.world on Western media launders israeli lies to manufacture more consent for Genocide

Israel set up a miiltary base ~2 miles from the Ker Shalom crossing to prepare for their Rafah Genocide.

Hamas launched a rocket attack on it. Israel used that as pretext to close the Ker Shalom crossing to humanitarian aid.

Mainstream Western propaganda outlets such as Reuters, NYT and BBC are now laundering the lies that Hamas attacked soldiers at the crossing instead of a military base.

Evidence for the military base and the Hamas rocket strike on it

Edit: For people incapable of reading: Haaretz article in the top left image of the original post. Last two lines.

Uhhh… that’s evidence that they are close together, not that its the base that was attacked. Do you have pics of the base or crossing themselves as a comparison?

You’re also missing the fact that regardless of the target, the attack was launched from a civilian structure.

You’re also missing the fact that regardless of the target, the attack was launched from a civilian structure.

So:

1-All above-ground structures in Gaza are civilian structures. Do you think Israel would allow Hamas to have an above-ground military base?

2-It was launched 350m from a civilian shelter. In Rafah, one of the most overcrowded cities on Earth. It’s a surprise there’s a place that far from a civilian shelter.

Also actually read the comment and post before replying.

Hamas doing bad stuff does not absolve the IDF and their Western media henchmen from misrepresenting and exaggerating in order to excuse their actions. Whatever Hamas may or may not be doing, it’s completely immaterial in the face of a fucking genocide.

In what world is defending yourself from a Genocide a bad thing?

It isn’t. But abducting and killing civilians is. Using human shields is. Now, sure, there is a lot of legitimate resentment and anger. And I have complete understanding for parts of the Palestinian population being militant, it’s actually a good thing. And maybe there’s even a point at which actions like the ones Hamas commits are valid. I’m not convinced, but I’m open to the idea. But that doesn’t mean I have to think Hamas are the good guys.

But again, all that doesn’t make what Israel does any less of a genocide, and it doesn’t make shooting at the human shields any less of a despicable war crime.

But that doesn’t mean I have to think Hamas are the good guys.

Okay Hamas are not good guys, not at all. While I don’t think persecuting war criminals is viable in Gaza even if they wanted to, even setting that aside they have a lot of not very good deeds under their belt. That said, they can’t be blamed for taking hostages. It sucks for them and their families, no doubt about that, but on the other hand we have 2mil+ people’s lives at stake. The hostages, and the Israeli administration’s blatant disregard for their lives, have been a decisive issue in pitting the Israeli public against the government. They’re also Hamas’s only card in negotiations, or in other words the only currency Hamas has to pay for Gazan lives and “freedom”. It sucks that lives are being used as currency, but that’s a case of don’t blame the player, blame the game. Of course the actual treatment of hostages during and after October 7th is a different story and there’s some Hague-worthy nonsense there, but the statement “Hamas took hostages on October 7th” has nothing indictable on its own.

Well, if you put it like that, fair enough. I hadn’t thought about the hostage situation like that before. thx

don’t blame the player, blame the game.

Shooting at human shields what? Hamas does not use human shields that is an israeli propaganda lie.

The only party using human shields is israel.

I never looked into the veracity of the human shields claims, since it doesn’t really matter - the IDF is committing the worse crimes either way.

Oh fuck off you fucking Nazi, human shields my ass… Why does Israel have a military base right next to a fucking shopping mall? It’s because they are using their population as human shields not Hamas.

Dip shit propaganda eating neo lib nazi

Dear Woozythebear,

I regrettably have to to inform you that you are mistaken in your assessment of me being a nazi. Neither am I neoliberal scum. I am, in fact, a dirty commie and not a supporter of the Israeli apartheid state or their military. I apologize if my comment in any way implied that only one side of a conflict can be guilty of war crimes like the aforementioned human shields. Either way, your highly constructive critcism has been duly noted and I wish you a good day.

Sincerely dogsoahC

Literally everything is in the post or in my comment. Consider reading before jumping in front of a bullet to shill for israel.

The attack was launched 350+ metres away from a civilian area which is extremely far considering how densely populated Gaza is. But shills gotta shill.

I don’t see evidence that Hamas attacked the base, either. Is a hole in a tent and a picture of a tank that could be taken anywhere there is sand supposed to be evidence?

Read the highlighted text in the original post. Top left image.

What are the soldiers doing in this sentence? The last two lines to be specific.

From this Haaretz article

I don’t think there’s a claim that the base itself was attacked, but instead that soldiers that were stationed at that base (which was a staging area for an invasion of Rafah) were attacked. The original Israeli source says that the soldiers were “near” the crossing. This seems like a far cry from the crossing itself being attacked, which is what the US articles claim or at least imply.

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