This is like saying that Ukraine is slaughtering LGBTQ+ people because they’ve killed nearly 1/2 a million russian soldiers. On top of that, you’re acting like the reason Israel has targeted them is because they’re LGBTQ+. You don’t label a civilian death as a hate crime just because they’re a certain race or gender. So no you’re statement is blatantly false.
Palestine is not a race, and Islam is %100 transphobic and the main religion practiced there (98% of the population).
Copying this from a previous comment as it’s basically the same ignorance so I don’t care enough about changing the context.
Just ignore the fact Christians are doing the same thing. It’s not an Islamic issue. It’s a conservative issue. Muslims in America are predominantly left leaning and their views reflect it. I’m more worried about Christians in America trying to kill me than Muslims. They are more accepting of me here than Christians. My local mosque has a big trans rights flag in protest of our local politicians, and guess who were the ones to get upset about that. I’ll give you a hint. It wasn’t the people who were worshiping under the trans rights flag.
As a subject of hate born from essentialization, it’s bad. Don’t do it. Regardless of who you’re essentializing. Systemic oppression can only happen with underlying dehumanization that comes from this thinking. Before you say “what about Nazis?”, still no. It removes responsibility from them. That was the immediate and obvious excuse the people under Nazi Germany used to absolve themselves when the war ended. It was what was used to excuse the people brought to Western nations under programs like paper clip. They are people. They are just like you. You are capable of becoming just like them. Unless you’re willing to accept that, you’re much more susceptible to becoming like them.
Copying this from a previous comment as it’s basically the same ignorance so I don’t care enough about changing the context.
Just ignore the fact Christians are doing the same thing. It’s not an Islamic issue. It’s a conservative issue.
Not arguing that, there isn’t anywhere in this entire thread that I have done so. I’ve just been pointing out that the middle east and islam is hostile towards LGBT persons. And everyone here seems to think that’s not the case.
Muslims in America are predominantly left leaning and their views reflect it.
Muslims are not significantly more likely than all Americans to identify as liberal (30% vs. 28%); however, a greater share of Muslims describe themselves as politically moderate (39% vs. 32% of all U.S. adults).
Muslims vote Democrat mainly because dems aren’t trying to constantly glass the middle east… wondering how that’ll look now that biden continues to feed the Israelis bombs, so they can continue the genocide.
I’m more worried about Christians in America trying to kill me than Muslims.
In the USA? Sure, more people here are christians, but don’t think that if Islam was given the chance at running the usa that you’d be better off somehow.
They are more accepting of me here than Christians. My local mosque has a big trans rights flag in protest of our local politicians, and guess who were the ones to get upset about that. I’ll give you a hint. It wasn’t the people who were worshiping under the trans rights flag.
Not saying there aren’t tolerant Muslims, never have.
As a subject of hate born from essentialization, it’s bad. Don’t do it. Regardless of who you’re essentializing.
Intolerance of the intolerant I believe is what is preached around here.
Systemic oppression can only happen with underlying dehumanization that comes from this thinking.
%100 agree
Before you say “what about Nazis?”, still no. It removes responsibility from them. That was the immediate and obvious excuse the people under Nazi Germany used to absolve themselves when the war ended. It was what was used to excuse the people brought to Western nations under programs like paper clip. They are people. They are just like you. You are capable of becoming just like them. Unless you’re willing to accept that, you’re much more susceptible to becoming like them.
I’m not someone who believes that you should be tolerant of those who actively are trying to remove the rights and lives of others based off of their skin color, gender or sexual orientation.
What Israel is doing is fucked, we should have stopped funding their damn military decades ago.
What hamas and other jihadist are doing to people (women and LGBT persons mainly) in the middle east is also fucked.
Both things can be true. Not everything is black and white. It’s like we have lost all nuance in discussions these days.
Nah you’re just a racist. Where is the evidence that that 98% of Islam is transphobic? The majority of Muslim people I know are pro-lgbtq, but I guess you would actually need to talk to Muslim people to know that and since you view them as beneath you I can see how that would be hard. It’s like saying all of Christianity is transphobic and that everyone who lives in red-states in the US is as well.
The Ukraine situation is entirely different. To compare the two is insane. If Ukraine murdered civilians of a specific ethnicity indiscriminately en masse, with the majority being children, I think pointing out that some of the people that they are murdering is lgbtq in response to people claiming that we should kill them or not care if they die is legitimate. This is also a popular Zionist talking point to justify their genocide and it’s so fucked up that idiots like you fall for it. It’s understandable that people who care about lgbtq-people would care about seeing people who are like them being murdered by Israel.
Also are you pulling the “I’m not a racist because Islam is not a race” card?
Nah you’re just a racist.
This is “I don’t like what the facts say so you’re a racist card” fuck off with that shit.
Where is the evidence that that 98% of Islam is transphobic?
Reading comprehension isn’t your stong suite is it? I said that Islam is a trans/homophobic religion and that 98% of Palestinians practice Islam.
The majority of Muslim people I know are pro-lgbtq, but I guess you would actually need to talk to Muslim people to know that and since you view them as beneath you I can see how that would be hard. It’s like saying all of Christianity is transphobic and that everyone who lives in red-states in the US is as well.
https://www.equaldex.com/equality-index?region=Middle+East
You really need to understand something, Islam and LGBT rights are not friends. The middle east is a dangerous and violent place for LGBT persons. This is not some made up stat. It’s a fact. Get your head out of the sand and actually do some damn research for once.
The Ukraine situation is entirely different. To compare the two is insane. If Ukraine murdered civilians of a specific ethnicity indiscriminately en masse, with the majority being children, I think pointing out that some of the people that they are murdering is lgbtq in response to people claiming that we should kill them or not care if they die is legitimate. This is also a popular Zionist talking point to justify their genocide and it’s so fucked up that idiots like you fall for it. It’s understandable that people who care about lgbtq-people would care about seeing people who are like them being murdered by Israel.
You literally called what Israel is doing as murdering LGBTQ persons, because they’re bombing indiscriminately…hence the comparison, but since you’re incapable of understanding that, you toss out insults and personal attacks.
Also are you pulling the “I’m not a racist because Islam is not a race” card?
Says the guy who backed up his facts with "I know Muslim people "…this is the same white privilege bullshit of “I have black friends”…you couldn’t come off more white privilege if you tried.
https://hexbear.net/post/2481767 Enjoy being put on display, too bad they deleted it. I know it’s really difficult for you to understand but because a place has anti-lgbtq laws doesn’t mean everyone who live there or everyone who practices the religion of that country is homophobic or transphobic. This is like really basic stuff but I can understand it can be hard for a racists to understand. It’s like saying all of the people who live in red-states in the US are transphobic because the anti-trans laws there. It doesn’t mean everyone is and it doesn’t mean everyone who lives there is transphobic. Displaying entire diverse groups of people as being a certain way, especially to justify their genocide, is actually kind of the definition of racism.
Also if a racist claims all black people are a certain way and I say “I know black people who aren’t that way” it’s not the same as saying “I have a black friend” to claim you are not racist. It’s kind of the opposite actually. The fact you don’t understand that proves how dumb you are.
If Ukraine murdered civilians of a specific ethnicity indiscriminately
Not so hypothetical.
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- The Guardian, 2014: Cluster bombs used in eastern Ukraine, says human rights group
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Atlantic Council, 2016: Europe’s Forgotten War: Fighting in the Donbas Has Never Stopped
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- UN, 2018: As Civilians Bear Brunt of Four-year-old Conflict in Ukraine, Continued Ceasefire Violations Test Credibility of Global Community, Officials Warn Security Council
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
