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47 points

You can conviniently block a whole instance from your account now, it reduces this kind of disagreement a lot.

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Should you though?

I get it, itā€™s annoying, but the entire ā€œletā€™s block people with opinions I donā€™t likeā€ is probably the single source of pillerization and increased extremism on the internet.

If Iā€™m not allowed to have a discussion or disagreement with you, and get kicked out instead, Iā€™ll just go to places where they will talk with me and where itā€™s chock full of other idiots like me who are much more extreme and in our safety bubble we can all continue not beat the same dead horse and circle jerk and make eachother more extreme because there are no dissenting voices, there are no voices or reason and calm, there are no cooler heads around.

This entire moderation where we simply started dumping people with who we disagree has made the world a.much, much worse place.

Granted, it sucks to have to deal with crazies and extremists, but at least whilst theyā€™re in the group we can all keep them grounded in reality.

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This operates under the assumption that there are good decent people on every instance, but instances like Hexbear and Lemmy.ml are inherently corrupt and run by people who want to sow misinformation and chaos to negatively impact western powers. Iā€™m not saying the whole thing is a Chinese operation, but if it were then it would be run exactly the same way it is now.

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I donā€™t think your whole thought process differs from a tankie. They think the same in a ā€œmy team is better, other one is sowing misinformationā€ way.

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All the more reason to walk around on hexbear and talk to people

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Iā€™m not on the internet or lemmy to make the world a better place, Iā€™m on here to kill time/enjoy myself/learn some things. I dont have the mental space to deal extremists, and particularly extremists that have a world view thats incompatible with itself if taken at face value, and I certainly dont have anything valid that I can learn from tankies, and as such, my block list has gotten quite large, and my general mood has increased because of it

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Maybe, but your list is, in part, so large because we keep pushing people out to let them become extremists

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This is my thinking for using .world. I donā€™t get all my news or interaction from Lemmy or the internet as a whole, and Lemmy is small enough that it has an almost zero impact on broader society. I respect those who try, but if my internet experience was antagonistic or frustrating Iā€™d probably just stop using it.

I also feel that conversations of that nature are best had in person, where thereā€™s a higher chance of changing minds. Iā€™ve no proof but it feels like internet discussions are taken less seriously and thus merely end before any opinion changing can occur.

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Being able to block what you want is great, having other people decide what to block for you is not.

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I would argue itā€™s not. It caused people to become more and more extreme, locked in their own echo rooms where they just become more distant from a common centerā€¦

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Because engaging in discussion with certain groups, does nothing but legitimize and amplify their messages of hatred and bigotry you fucking genius.

You donā€™t engage in polite discussion with people that want you dead, that want to seize power and implement fascist authoritarianism, and who want to purge the ā€œimpureā€.

How you deal with it is by aggressively reacting to and putting down their bullshit, and denying them platforms which to spread their messages and hatred.

People like you, who want to wring your hands and play nice and polite with nazis and their ilk, are doing nothing but pushing their agenda for them. People like you are nothing but collaborators, and people like you will end up on the wrong side of the stick alongside everyone else once youā€™ve outlived your usefulness.

I eagerly await your reply of ā€œoh well that just means youā€™re intolerant and that makes you worse than the (insert authoritarian flavor of choice) that i want to politely talk with!ā€

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I didnā€™t vote on your post, but want to say that youā€™re not going to convince many people with an antagonistic approach.

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Funny how you call everyone hateful while being so full of hatred. You literally talk about becoming violent once outlived my usefulness, yet other are the violent ones?

YOU, my man, are the problem hwre., you are the authoritarian here, not others.

Hence me talking to you because I prefer to keep the discussion going. Noone is beyond saving. Do some reading up on Daryl Davis, he would be a good influence on you.

Most extremists, like you, are not inherently violent, bad, or beyond saving. Youā€™re simply a bit lost and maybe need to do some talking, have someone listen to you and validate you. Some different points of view can be very helpful to get rid of that hate that you feel inside you

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I ā€œblockedā€ hexbear, because a mod didnā€™t take the time to use their brain, labeled me a ā€œpedophile apologistā€ and banned me from the entire instance. If they moderate based on ā€œI donā€™t care what actually happened, Iā€™m madā€ then Iā€™m not going to bother interacting with them.

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And thatā€™s the problem from both sides. You both need to continue talking. I got banned from Reddit subs too for literally asking questions or wrong think.

People need to grow skin

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Hexbear mods are paid to spread propaganda, not use their brain, two fairly exclusive activities.

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If Iā€™m not allowed to have a discussion or disagreement with you, and get kicked out instead, Iā€™ll just go to places where they will talk with me

I actually tried to, and if it was possible to have rational and polite discussion, without straw man arguments, dog pilling, personal attacks and finally threats of violence, I would have continued to try. But sadly all of this happen, multiple times.

At some points I considered leaving Lemmy, thinking that this federation as a whole was not safe for debating. But then I started understanding patterns, either it was from the users from a specific instance, or it was communities from a specific instance that turned like that. Overall the pattern seem to be that if the instance mentions extreme political ideologies in its description or if the profiles of its admins do, then debating is not possible.

If they want to stay connected to people to avoid the circle jerk, they have to work on themselves too (ex: learning to debate politely), you canā€™t except us to absorb all the damages to help them avoid radicalization. Itā€™s like walking towards a terrorist group with flowers while they are shooting around and expecting them to be inspired by your pacifism.

I do enjoy debating and questioning my own beliefs, but I am not on Lemmy to consume my mental health, so I need to take some actions to protect it.

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not safe debating

Sorry, just to comment on this one: I really dislike that phrase, its use is part of the reason why we are where we are. You ARE safe, all the time. Itā€™s not like you talking in a lemmy instance puts you at risk of being shot in the head.

You may encounter assholes, and opinions that you donā€™t like but that doesnā€™t make you unsafe. Uncomfortable, mayby, for having to read information you oppose?

A black man driving and stopped by US police can claim he feels not safe. We lemmies are perfectly fine. I think many people need to grow a little thicker skin in that regard.

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ā€œletā€™s block people with opinions I donā€™t likeā€

I donā€™t think a lot of them are actually people, but rather LLMs. Also, does it count as ā€œpeople with opinionsā€ when itā€™s shills paid to spread authoritarian propaganda?

I do agree we should limit personal blocking, but thatā€™s because we need to collectively manage the Fediverse. Thereā€™s no budget for countering misinformation campaigns, just us.

Instances blocking propaganda instances, on the other hand, is fantastic. Itā€™s what we need for the Fediverse to survive instead of going the way of Voat and other extremist communities.

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2 points

While LLMs have become a problem recently, this problem existed since way before that

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blocked

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Exhibit a

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10 points

I was planning to, but ultimately didnā€™t. I have handed out personal blocks to obvious trolls and a brunch of hexbear users that spammed gifs in every single thread though.

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Not even grad? Wow.

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Yeah, I donā€™t block instances, just individuals that have proven to not act in good faith. I try to expose myself to as many diverse opinions as possible, but know if the people holding those opinions can back it up with facts, or are at least willing to consider the possibility that theyā€™re wrong, and I try my best to do the same.

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I very well get what youā€™re saying but a lot of people donā€™t understand the difference between ā€œhas a valid opinion I disagree withā€ and ā€œis a flame troll LLMā€ and just block anyone with an opinion they donā€™t like, loudly proclaiming"you are a bad fatig actor!"

I think it really made the entire world a worse place to be in, everyone is in their own echo chambers now, nice and safely shielded from scary opinions that donā€™t align with their warped world view.

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Problem I see with this is that a lot of ā€œI block people who act in bad faithā€ have hair triggers when it comes to what they consider bad faith. I see their comments all over the place where its a disagreement and 6 comments in theyā€™re claiming the other person is acting in bad faith and theyā€™re blocking them

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Okay, which instances should I block to get rid of the tankies?

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2 points

Lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml, and Hexbear.

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Lemmygrad and Hexbear are the most obvious ones, sadly lemmy.ml is also part of them in my experience despite not being obvious about it (you have to check the admins and mods profile to see the link) and having some good content when itā€™s not about politics such as tech. There may also be some defederated by my home instance admins that I may not be aware of.

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I think you are correct, but not having the opportunity to participate in a thread on those instances because you canā€™t see them anymore is part of the ways to avoid troubles.

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Instance blocking is dependent on client implementation, as it isnā€™t provided by lemmy itself.

edit: no longer the case

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