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Fuck religion that even makes this gesture possible

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Fuck people that want to tell women what not to wear. You are doing the same like those forcing a hijab.

Most women choose to wear hijab and are defending the right to do so.

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Nobody here is telling women what not to wear though. “You are doing the same like thlse forcing a hijab?” jose1324 isn’t killing people for wearing them

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By saying “fuck that this gesture is possible” the conclusion is that it shouldn’t, which means that women wouldn’t wear hijab in the first place. But as they choose to do so, that means infringing on their choice.

And it should be very telling that in places like Iran women face repression if they want to not wear hijab, and the western countries working towards the opposite sentiment of repression for wearing hijab.

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“Choose” is a very loaded word here. Yes, technically, they have a choice between wearing a hijab and an alternative, but what is that alternative? For someone in a conservative Muslim community, there is an extreme stigma against choosing not to wear a hijab, so it’s a choice between wearing one or being shunned. If it’s a theocratic country, it’s a choice between wearing one and death. Yes, technically a choice, but no more of a choice than being robbed at gunpoint and “choosing” to empty your pockets to not be shot in the head.

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Choice under the threat of violence is no choice at all. Indistinguishable from authoritarian barbarism.

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Thank you. And those who continue to don such symbols of oppression when they do have a real choice are choosing to express violence against their subjugated peers.

There’s a reason why every free society rejects universal dress codes, and I for one will choose to stand again them whether they are for church or middle school.

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Most women choose to wear hijab and are defending the right to do so.

In democracies (and absence of family pressure) maybe, but in most of the world, I doubt it.

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They’re supposed to mirror Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ (pbut). She wore a hijab.

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And you know that because you spoke with so many of these women, or you know that because you think being from a white western country entitles you to know best for everyone in the world?

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It’s impressive how you turned this to be my fault lmao. Fuck you man, I don’t decide what people want to wear. Go take a hike

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Everyone can still wear a scarves on their heads. Believe it or not it’s not a new or exclusively religious article of clothing.

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Any scarve that covers the hair is considered a hijab. There is no special scarve for a hijab and hijabs can take all shapes, colors and patterns.

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Would they choose to wear a hijab if that religion did not exist? Looking at the rest of the world, the answer is a resounding “no.”

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I imagine because in, “civilized” nations… women are just sexual objects. Watch the ads, the movies, the cartoons, the magazines… all industries pertaining to women are sexualized. You must do this, that, wear this, that in order to be acceptable.

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https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-ancient-traditions/veil-wearing-tradition-0017535

https://daily.jstor.org/the-power-of-the-veil-for-spanish-women/

I am sorry, but please educate yourself before making such nonsensical statements. Veiling has been a part of culture and religion outside of Islam for millennia. And if you look at the second source, you’ll see that veiling also has been a mean of liberation and that banning it is part of a long history of oppressing women

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The flak you’re getting for this is bizarre. There are tons of women who wear a hijab by choice. It’s self expression, hell people even do pinups/porn in them so it’s not like the religious association is absolute or binding.

Women should not be forced to wear a hijab, but they also shouldn’t be forced not to. Feminism is about choice, the choice between embracing traditional roles and rules or eschewing them with equal acceptance.

Articles from women who choose to wear a hijab:

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-right-to-choose-to-wear-or-not-hijab/

https://gchumanrights.org/gc-preparedness/preparedness-civil-and-political-rights/article-detail/the-hijab-ban-and-human-rights-of-muslim-women-in-europe.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2023/01/28/american-muslim-women-hijabs-symbolize-right-choose

https://www.aclu.org/documents/discrimination-against-muslim-women-fact-sheet

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