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It’s not really about liberty, it’s about freedom from taxes and consequences. They don’t get far enough in the reasoning to understand that they would benefit.

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But I’m 20 and healthy, why should I have to pay for healthcare for mrs. sickey over there? Did she even try being born without a chronic illness? Doubt it.

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Because eventually you will be old and sick. It’s short sighted not to consider that.

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Don’t forget lowering the age of consent

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This is anti-libertarian, imo. Libertarianism does revolve around upholding contracts made through individual consent. For this to work, one must be able to give concious and uncoerced consent. Lowering the age of consent does not support this — as it stands, the age of legal consent is, arguably, too low. Being able to provide consent comes with maturity.

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Libertarianism is just values free Capitalism.

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Capitalism has always been values free

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…and it co-opts and usurps other value systems.

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NAP is a value.

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It’s a theory that in reality already mostly doesn’t exist. You can hire a range of body guards, personal security people, bounty hunters, and self-proclaimed bad asses to fuck people up.

…the more money you have the more connected you are, the more stuff like that you can do.

NAP is a theory that requires people with money “respect” rather than chilling in the forts they’ve already built in this system, let alone a more free market one.

NAP is a pipedream Libertarians have circle jerks about but like most of their theories would be utter vaporware in practice.

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It’s not really about liberty

Individual liberty is core to the philosophy of libertarianism.

it’s about freedom from taxes

This is a complicated issue, and it is not a cut and dry opinion of all libertarians to oppose all taxes in their entirety. A core idea in libertarianism is to avoid excessive government abuse of power — taxes are often viewed as one such abuse. Those that are more libertarian oriented, but are more favorable towards some types of taxes are, imo, more accurately referred to as Georgists, but it of course relies on exactly what taxes they support, and their rationale.

it’s about freedom from […] consequences.

If you are referring to consequences from infringing on the freedoms of others, then that is not libertarian. Supporting the idea of liberty is to also support the liberty of others.

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