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Biden needs to get Biden voters to show up. Period.

Biden doesn’t need to be worrying about an unreliable 7% when he’s lost a reliable 10%.

These aren’t a “maybe he’ll win, maybe he’ll lose” 10% of voters.

These are a “Biden CAN NOT WIN THIS ELECTION without them” 10% of voters.

Fuck the swing voters. Biden can’t get enough reliably democratic voters to vote for him. That’s an issue ORDERS of magnitude larger than trying to capture swing voters.

People aren’t writing in “uncommited” because of Trump. They are writing in “uncommited” because of Biden. Nothing Trump does is going to change them because its not like they aren’t flipping from Biden to Trump. They are flipping from Biden to “I can’t in good confidence vote for a guy who supports the whole-cloth genocide of a people”.

To the primacy that started this thread:

Criticism of Trump is irrelevant because its not Trump hurting Biden in the polls.

Its Biden hurting Biden in the polls.

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Ah, yes, everyone in the uncommitted campaign in the primary is now going to not vote, or vote third-party.

They are flipping from Biden to “I can’t in good confidence vote for a guy who supports the whole-cloth genocide of a people”.

Oh, cool, then they’ll in good confidence ensure a guy gets in who supports the whole-cloth genocide of multiple peoples, including the ones they’re supposedly protesting against. Great. I’ll thank them from the camp showers.

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You are just throwing the whole thing because some people are more committed to their morals than you are, and you aren’t convincing the people who need to be convinced with this approach to rhetoric. You are just driving them further and further away from being able to consider Biden.

If you focused your ire where it belong, on Biden, and were making an argument that we can drag him to where he needs to be, you might actually help him pick up a vote or two.

Even better, you could make the point directly that you can’t in good conscious vote for him if he doesn’t shift his position on Gaza, there-by bringing significantly more voters to Bidens table than just yourself.

Like I said, this is between Biden and the couch, but all you are doing is scoring points for the couch.

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You are just throwing the whole thing because some people are more committed to their morals than you are

Yeah, some people are more committed to killing MORE Palestinians AND Americans in addition, as well as Ukrainians; rather than killing fewer Palestinians. Great morals they have. I hope we don’t end up in the same camp.

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