I guess nobody explained to them that the west is now deindustrialized and doesn’t have the capacity to produce munitions in the numbers this proxy war requires.

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I wish Russia wouldn’t using Ukraine as a proxy for the US. So much suffering and death amongst brethren,.for what?

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Russia tried to negotiate with the west for 8 years. Then they almost made a deal within the first two months of the war that the west sabotaged. It’s pretty clear that the west wants the war to go on as long as possible.

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I will still never understand Putin turning on nearby brothers as a way to hurt the west. He throws his own into the same meat grinder. Why? It’s not even a thing that registers on the average American’s radar, but Russia is now on a war footing to fight old allies? It makes no sense.

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That’s not what happened though. Donbas rebelled against the regime that came into power in Ukraine in a violent coup, and there’s been a civil war since then. Here’s CNN coverage of what Ukraine has been doing to people of Donbas since 2014 https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296 and here’s a French documentary https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs

Russia tried to work with the west to stop that through Minsk agreements, and now the west admitted that the plan was to just buy time for the regime in Ukraine to arm further.

It’s also very illustrative to look at a few slides from this lecture that Mearsheimer gave back in 2015 to get a bit of background on the subject. Mearsheimer is certainly not pro Russian in any sense, and a proponent of US global hegemony. First, here’s the demographic breakdown of Ukraine:

here’s how the election in 2004 went:

this is the 2010 election:

As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:

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What deals has Russia backtracked on specifically? Also, given that Ukraine is very obviously losing now, it’s pretty clear that whatever deal will be on the table is going to be worse than what was available two years ago. How does this help Ukraine?

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