Comment by Blaster M@lemmy.world on Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/15988326

Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025. The current version, 22H2, will be the final version of Windows 10, and all editions will remain in support with monthly security update releases through that date. Existing LTSC releases will continue to receive updates beyond that date based on their specific lifecycles.

Source: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

Controversial Take:

Windows 11 is actually decent

It’s 10 with some extra BS. It runs. But I wouldn’t call it decent. Definitely a controversial take ;)

Take my upvote not because I agree, but because you are brave! ;)

The major problems isn’t Windows 11 usability, although those issues due exist. UI and workflow issues can typically get addressed, or mitigated, by 3rd party tools.

The real concerns are the exponential increases in spyware, such as the AI recovery tool that records all user interactions, or the native advertising inside of the system itself e.g. Start Menu ads.

If native AI data collection and advertising is baked into all nooks and crannies of the system, the ability of users to mitigate those threats becomes extraordinarily difficult, if not impossible to completely resolve.

You can turn off Recall with a simple toggle in the settings.

There’s no need to switch operating systems, just turn it off.

Even if you trust that one feature will actually be disabled, that was just one example.

Do you really believe you can disable and remove all of the numerous data collection and spyware components that are baked into all aspects of the OS?

I’m not saying no one should use Windows 11, but they should be honest with themselves about the trade-off they’re accepting.

Even if you trust that one feature will actually be disabled, that was just one example.

The other one mentioned was the start menu ads. Those can also be turned off with a simple toggle in the settings. Finding this was as simple as Googling “turn off windows start menu ads”, it was the top result.

Do you really believe you can disable and remove all of the numerous data collection and spyware components that are baked into all aspects of the OS?

Yes. Because Windows is used by a lot of big giant corporations that would sue the hell out of Microsoft if it wasn’t possible to disable those features.

First of all, there are specialised Enterprise distributions of M$ Windows. Furthermore, what ground would any company have to sue M$ on what the latter put in their own operating system?

I work for a big giant corporation and plenty of its computers don’t run Enterprise Windows.

A lawsuit would come in the case that Microsoft was lying about whether you could disable those features. Microsoft has put toggles for them into the settings, if it turns out that those toggles don’t actually disable the things they claim to disable then that’s where Microsoft is going to face legal issues. Do you really think Microsoft cares enough about the tiny portion of their customer base that’s going to change the default settings that they would risk that sort of lawsuit to “spy” on them?

Yes. Just like you can turn off a bunch of the windows 10 crap with registry keys and tools. Why. Why does a user need to go to such lengths to make their OS they paid for not soy on them and deliver them ads?

“Oh it’s not that bad!” You’ll say. Ya. Windows 10 wasn’t THAT bad for it. Then came 11. Then 12 will come. Inch by inch it will turn to shit more and more, and that is the point.

But this really isn’t a registry key or tool, though. Did you click my link? It’s a simple on/off toggle in the system settings menu. You just open the settings and click “off.” I don’t see how much simpler they could make it.

You need to consider the bigger picture. Not this specific thing.

I haven’t had to edit the registry in as long as I can remember. Not just for this specific thing. What stuff are you talking about?

Do you trust that its off? Or just off for You?

I trust that Microsoft fears the lawsuits that would ensue if they were caught lying about it, and that they wouldn’t derive any significant benefit from lying about it. Why would they?

Because legal fees and fines are the cost of doing business for Big AdTech

give us 3 reasons why

Stable
Lots of features
Very widespread support

The funny thing is I use Mac Linux and Windows daily. Windows 11 on my surface. This is my business computer. Mac for the employer I work for. Linux for my personal desktop. 11 crashes all the time. Start menu and task bar glitches. Random UI elements not loading properly. I frequently need to restart explorer.exe. I get thunderbolt dock issues and glitches. This does not occur on the MacBook. Or my old windows 10 work laptop.

I actually like 10 now. 11 is hot trash. I’ll take 12 over it so far from what we know of it.

Whereas I use Windows 11 on all of my machines, including one I use for my job as a programmer and regularly put through the wringer, and I don’t actually know what the Windows 11 version of the blue screen of death looks like because I have never crashed the OS. I can’t recall the last time I saw a bug like what you’re describing, either. So I don’t know what you’re doing wrong with your Windows 11 install, but it seems I’ve somehow avoided it without particularly trying.

Me neither, I have mainly Microsoft software on there. It’s Microsoft’s own tablet lol. It probably would help if I reinstalled but I can’t be bothered. It “works”.

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