I just realized that none of the comments or posts I made in the last week from my instance are getting to lemmy.world.
I went to see if I my instance was defederated. No, still showing as connected.
I then went to see if I got blocked or banned. Nope, my username is not showing up in the modlog anywhere.
Is it because my instance is small? I guess not, because I can interact with people and communities from anywhere else just fine.
At the moment, the only plausible explanation I have is that lemmy.world is overwhelmed and dropping messages from smaller instances. They do however everything in their power to keep more users coming up.
Yeah, I get that they were being attacked. I can only imagine that getting DDOSād is not fun, and worrying about the Schmoes on the smaller instances is not a top concern.
But even in the middle of these constant outages and attacks, the lemmy.world admins are still keeping registrations open? Why? Wouldnāt it be better if they encouraged the users to move out of the instance to reduce the load? Isnāt the whole point of decentralized technologies to be, you know, decentralized?
I shouldnāt have to come here, create an account and make things even more centralized just so that I can tell people that this attitude is hurting the fediverse.
I wouldnāt be so pissed at this if it werenāt for the fact that some many communities were created here and is making this particular instance a crucial part of the fediverse, but the admins seems to be more worried about getting their user count up than the health of the overall system.
Please, admins, the more you go with this unstable federation and open registrations, the more of an incentive you are creating to centralize this further here. Help the fediverse and help yourselves. Close down registrations and focus on ensuring that everyone can access the communities that are being formed here.
We are not ādroppingā messages from smaller instances. @ruud@lemmy.world and others did tighten up some things to fend off some attacks but that should not interfere with the federation.
If you could have at least mentioned your instance name we could ask our backend administrators to have a look and we could get back to you with an informed answer.
We will not close registrations, what we will do is show people information on how the fediverse works and give them the option to register on other instances. That will be implemented in the next couple of days.
Iām not seeing dropped messages. I can see that a comment in this thread made it through just fine. However, I am seeing since around 09:30 yesterday that get requests for comments (and maybe other activities) are being responded to with 400 ānot_logged_inā. Iāve quite a few messages in error queue stacking up because of this.
Edited to clarify. The instance is running kbin.
Thatās possible because those requests are being blocked to non-logged-in users.
Would be nice if you could mention more instances than the top 5. The way things look right now, Lemmy is becoming centralized with all communities and users on a handful of servers.
Another thing to keep in mind is that when an instance goes down you lose the content. Instances should be reliable too. So just listing any random instance and overloading them would not help either. Imagine running a private instance for yourself and some friends and getting randomly listed on the signup page hereā¦
I donāt think small instances have a reliability problem. They actually lack users right now. And of course you wouldnāt sign every new person up to the same instance, because that is against the entire point of the technology here.
I seriously believe it would be much better for the Lemmy network to spread people out on the existing instances.
As for why I am not naming my instance: this post went to -1 as soon as it got posted. My comments are also being downvoted quite quickly. I donāt believe that I am being rude or uncivil, yet it feels like mods and admins are more worried about fighting to keep the status quo than helping the community at large, and Iād worry about retaliation.
The reason youāre being downvoted is because you experienced a problem (Posts from your instance wonāt show up in this instance), came up with a pet theory for why that problem might be happening (This instance must be dropping posts from small instances because itās overloaded from all the users), assumed it was correct (Based on what, exactly? Because itās definitely not correct), then came here to post about it in a very confrontational, demanding, and accusatory tone, with a seeming lack of desire or ability to consider that you may be the mistaken one. Moreso, the change youāre suggesting would have dramatic and perhaps negative repercussions for both this instance and Lemmy as a whole.
- I did eliminate all the possibilities I had at hand.
- The only one that offered some hint at a solution was not related to this instance, and was not demanding to know my instance beforehand.
- The stated reason given to not close registrations fails any smell test.
perhaps negative repercussions for both this instance and Lemmy as a whole.
AKA, āwe are too big to failā?
Iām too old for internet drama and I think that if we want the fediverse to win we need to be a lot more mindful of the collective and avoid tribal thinking. But honestly, this shit with lemmy.world is starting to get a bit weird. I mean, the lemmy devs were recommending from the beginning to not have overly large instances, yet the admins here kept ignoring this and hoarding more people. What is the endgame?
I donāt believe that I am being rude or uncivil
Dude. Youāre literally naming yourself āyou are hurting the fediverseā. How 'bout I go to your instance and call myself ā@youareafuckingmoronā and ask you politely to change something on your instance? Would you think it just a wee tad uncivil?
I donāt believe that I am being rude or uncivil
Well, herein lies the problem, because the rest of us do. Youāre assuming that you know better than the people who have been doing this for years, and dismissing their attempts to help as āexcusesā. I really donāt know what other outcome you could have possibly foreseen with this combative attitude.
Maybe the reason is that you behave like a first-class asshole idiot? You wanted help, but evaded the reasonable question for your instance name. Several times. While making unreasonable demands. Iāve seen a lot of idiots in thirty years of being on the internet, and seriously, you are one of the bigger ones.
I mean, you are demanding something in a very unrespectful way, without considering the negative impact that could have in the grow of the fedi as a whole, and say that any reason why you could be wrong is an excuse that you need to adress. But it must be the admins who need to mantain the status quo if you get downvoted. I think you are not being very self aware.
Why is it so vital for you to keep registrations open? Can you please help me understand the logic behind it?
Instead of mentioning your instance so we can help you you seem to have other motives.
Edit: but if you want the logic. We had discussions internally as well as with other instance admins about this and the conclusion was - even from other instance admins - that closing registrations would be a bad idea. Currently a lot of people are sent to lemmy.world from reddit and 3rd party apps for example. If people land here and are not able to register they might not look into it further and give up because it is too complicated or overwhelming. So that would actually be worse for the fediverse. That is why we want to make the sign up page more informative and provide options.
Perfectly fair. People coming from Reddit specifically need to be eased into the fediverse and saying āwhoops sorry weāre full / closedā isnāt great.
Ideally if we want things balanced people should be on multiple instances but Iād rather several slower, bigger instances in the meantime until the community expands.
Cheers for the work you guys do!
If people land here and are not able to register they might not look into it further and give up because
Sorry, thatās a really bad excuse. Lemmy allows to have custom messages/taglines on the registration page, why not just add a quick paragraph saying āregistration is closed because this server is overwhelmed, but here is a list of servers that you can useā.
Make it a rotating list, change it every 2-3 days if you want.
Personal anecdote: I probably wouldnāt have joined Lemmy if it wasnāt for lemmy.world and I think Iām far from alone.
Same, I started with Lemmy.world to begin with because I didnāt really understand the fediverse and didnāt want to go through choosing. After I understood federation more I set up my own instance. If I didnāt start with Lemmy.world I probably wouldnāt have tried Lemmy at all.
āIf you could have at least mentioned your instance name we could ask our backend administrators to have a look and we could get back to you with an informed answer.ā
Try answering their request. Stop going on about registrations, at least until the above is resolved.
I think it is already answered in this thread.
- let us know which instance (even by pm) do we can have an informed reply as to what is going on. There have been changes made in the backend to fend of attacks but this should not affect federation.
- There is a bug in Lemmy where instances are too early marked as āinactiveā and will stop federating.
Btw the title of this thread is āstop registrationsā not āhelp me find out what is going onā.
