This brings the total under this administration to $167 Billion in relief for 4.75 million borrowers.

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It’s not belittling genocide opposition. It’s belittling those who hold democracy ransom over a single issue that they don’t understand, and weren’t even aware was happening for the last several decades.

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Hypocritical when it’s you holding democracy ransom telling them who to vote for. I am expressing democracy by voting for Jill Stein.

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You’re knowingly throwing away a vote. There’s not much left that is more anti-democracy. But for now- you can enjoy that right.

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Projection, you’re literally voting for someone you don’t agree with, so you have a fundamental misunderstanding of democracy.

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Poe?

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It’s not belittling genocide opposition.

It’s absolutely nothing but.

over a single issue that they don’t understand

Yes, opposition to genocide is just because those who oppose it are unenlightened, not because it’s fucking genocide.

and weren’t even aware was happening for the last several decades.

Biden hasn’t been selling weapons he knows will be used for genocide for the past several decades. Now do the thing where you sling gaslighting and abuse.

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For someone who had nothing to say about Palestine before October 7th, you sure love talking down at others from that high horse.

Your comment is history is almost entirety anti Biden rhetoric, and snarky rebuttals. People have tried to reason with you. You seem to have no desire to debate in good faith at all, so you should understand that It raises questions as to your motive here.

You have not, and will not find a single person here who supports genocide. Not one. Nor will you find anyone that thinks Biden handling of Palestine to be acceptable in any way. So STOP accusing people of this nonsense.

It makes you look foolish.

What people have CONSTANTLY tried to explain to you- is that this situation is very complicated. It’s nuanced. It’s not so simple to demand that something you don’t like be stopped immediately.

Either make an attempt to debate in good faith or don’t debate.

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For someone who had nothing to say about Palestine before October 7th, you sure love talking down at others from that high horse.

Do you suppose that there might have been something that happened between then and now that might have made the genocide undeniable to all but a few bad faith actors?

Your comment is history is almost entirety anti Biden rhetoric

I have been massively dissatisfied with his performance, with one notable exception: he exceeded my expectations on student loan forgiveness.

You seem to have no desire to debate in good faith at all, so you should understand that It raises questions as to your motive here.

The accusations began the very first time I said that Biden should stop supporting genocide.

You have not, and will not find a single person here who supports genocide.

At the very least, genocide denial in the face of obvious genocide is support for genocide. Yes, I have encountered that right here on lemmy.

Nor will you find anyone that thinks Biden handling of Palestine to be acceptable in any way.

Seen that too. And not just from the deniers. Mostly it takes the form of “every president since the formation of Israel has been complicit, why start having a problem now?” Sometimes it’s “we can’t stop selling Netanyahu weapons because Republicans will call us antisemitic.” Both are defenses of Biden’s actions themselves, and not merely an admonition to vote for Biden on the grounds that Trump is undeniably worse.

Of course Trump is worse, and that’s why I’m voting for Biden. But as long as Biden supports genocide, I’m going to say he should stop doing that.

It’s not so simple to demand that something you don’t like be stopped immediately.

I’m not going to ask for patient incrementalism over the course of decades here.

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You could just ask me, I guess. Am I belittling genocide opposition? No. What I am opposed to is blaming the entire thing on Biden, as if 95% of the rest of the political establishment isn’t involved and wouldn’t have done the same things or worse. “Genocide Joe” is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. People seem totally ready to throw this election to trump, who has made it clear he would be even worse about Palestine, over this single issue, which would fuck over the US in an almost incalculable way. And then, it sure is odd how people who consider themselves leftists or communists spend huge amounts of time and energy bashing Biden and Democrats and NEVER express any concerns about Republicans or Trump. It makes absolutely no sense given that Democratic administrations are much better on issues they claim to care about - clean energy, unions, environmental regulations, women’s rights, appointing reasonable people to courts, and so on.

Biden hasn’t been selling weapons he knows will be used for genocide for the past several decades.

The US just started supporting Israel with weapons and finances? Huh, I could have sworn that’s been going on for at least 50 years.

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They want to be able to smugly say “we told you to listen to us!” While they deny that they’re trying to hold democrat ransom.

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No. What I am opposed to is blaming the entire thing on Biden

I blame most of it on Netanyahu. Biden shoudl stop enabling him.

, as if 95% of the rest of the political establishment isn’t involved and wouldn’t have done the same things or worse.

“Everyone else would do it” is not a justification for Biden’s support for genocide.

“Genocide Joe” is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard.

And you haven’t heard it from me. I don’t call him that.

People seem totally ready to throw this election to trump,

And any criticism of Biden is support for Trump. Griping about Biden enabling genocide on a small fledgling platform inhabited almost entirely by centrists who just want his critics to shut up isn’t going to throw anything.

who has made it clear he would be even worse about Palestine, over this single issue, which would fuck over the US in an almost incalculable way.

Which is why I’m voting for Biden.

And then, it sure is odd how people who consider themselves leftists or communists spend huge amounts of time and energy bashing Biden and Democrats and NEVER express any concerns about Republicans or Trump.

What is there about every last centrist’s second choice that needs expressing. They’re fascists. It’s why we’re all stuck voting for Biden. Democrats seeing this and using it as license to be second worst is disgusting behavior.

This conspiracy nonsense from centrists that russians are hiding behind all dissent is just like Republicans screaming “SOROS!” at all sensory input. It’s not based in any actual logic. You should be fucking livid that Biden is enabling genocide, and I’m seeing precious little evidence that any of you are.

The US just started supporting Israel with weapons and finances? Huh, I could have sworn that’s been going on for at least 50 years.

Sounds like a justification for never, ever stopping. BuT nO OnE hErE sUpPoRtS gEnOcIdE.

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