Lemdro.id

-1 points

6 months ago

Before I give you math to show you why I vote democrat, please understand that I’m not a democrat, and I fuucking hate Hillary—even though I voted for her (after Bernie in the primary of course).

In the 2016 presidential election, Donald Trump won key swing states by margins that could have been impacted if all third-party voters had instead voted for Hillary Clinton. Here’s the analysis for three crucial states:

Michigan

Trump’s Margin of Victory: 10,704 votes

Third-Party Votes: 251,371

Would Clinton Have Won: Yes

Wisconsin

Trump’s Margin of Victory: 22,748 votes

Third-Party Votes: 188,330

Would Clinton Have Won: Yes

Pennsylvania

Trump’s Margin of Victory: 44,292 votes

Third-Party Votes: 256,348

Would Clinton Have Won: Yes

In each of these states, the number of third-party votes was significantly higher than Trump’s margin of victory. Therefore, if all third-party voters had instead voted for Hillary Clinton, she would have won these key states, potentially changing the overall outcome of the election.

Again, I didn’t love the idea of Hillary in office, but the court wouldn’t have been stacked and RvW would be intact, among many other things.

I’m not trying to place blame. But I am trying to suggest that we first need ranked voting before we can have more than two parties. Those other parties are the ones who can swing the election… but not in a predictable way that can be used as a tactic.

If you want Green (on Election Day)… you get Trump.

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goldenlocks@lemmy.world

2 points

6 months ago

if all third-party voters had instead voted for Hillary Clinton.

You mean the Libertarian party that got 3x the votes of the Green party? They aint voting for Dems, ever. Same with Green party voters so your argument is void.

In each of these states, the number of third-party votes was significantly higher than Trump’s margin of victory.

Most of which are libertarian votes, also you are not entitled to any votes, that’s not how it works.

I’m not trying to place blame. But I am trying to suggest that we first need ranked voting before we can have more than two parties.

Which is why supporting and building the Green party is so important, so we can fight for RCV.

If you want Green (on Election Day)… you get Trump.

If you don’t want RCV or universal healthcare, you vote for Biden.

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0 points

6 months ago

wishful thinking, but not reality.

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goldenlocks@lemmy.world

1 point

6 months ago

I’m making it a reality, you are submitting to duopoly for no reason.

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1 point

6 months ago

Submitting is a bold choice of words. I am doing what I feel is the best way to keep the right wing out of power. And since both you and I have very little power, the only thing we can do is vote.

You aren’t making anything a reality. Tell me what the Green Party has accomplished so far.

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goldenlocks@lemmy.world

1 point

6 months ago

I am doing what I feel is the best way to keep the right wing out of power.

I can respect that, but you’re voting for right wingers, making the problem worse.

Greens have historically put several important issues into the public view, especially with climate change. We have had some success with local politics as well, and are poised to make a run a 5% of the general here in November. These are all better than Dems moving us to the right.

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0 points

6 months ago

into the public view.

But they didn’t put them there. They just agree with climate change, etc.

You’re actually the first person online I’ve heard who said “Green Party!” There are obviously more supporters, but the party’s marketing is terrible. The average Joe doesn’t know anything about them. I think a significant number of left leaning voters would agree completely with the major talking points of the Green Party. Heck, I do. To be sure, I just went down the list and they checked almost all of my boxes.

voting for right-wingers.

This is very relative to where each of us consider the center point. I’m never going to get what I want from a single vote. All I can do right now is try to keep the rights we have, vote for the status quo, and hope this country doesn’t turn into The Handmaid’s Tale

Ranked voting should be the single focus of the Green Party. They will not ever be elected without it. Nothing can actually topple the Big Two without it.

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