As long as the pedo shit is blocked i dont see why u would want to defederate instead of letting each user block what they want. We need a user level federated blocklist.
Looked at the list and did a bit of searching as well as checking the reasons they were defederated. Looks like the top one is basically a trolling group akin to GNAA or some of the proto 4chan or SomethingAwful shit for those who remember back that far.
I can understand why overt trolling and possibly illegal content would be defederated.
That said I would like to see more diverse opinions and sources on my Lemmy feed though. There has to be a base somewhere that isnβt literal nazis but isnβt open socialists either.
That said I would like to see more diverse opinions and sources on my Lemmy feed though. There has to be a base somewhere that isnβt literal nazis but isnβt open socialists either.
Please, this. Lemmy is boring as all hell. 95%+ of users have the same opinions. Itβs a giant echo chamber.
Youβre free to sub to whatever instances you want. You seem to be complaining about your own inaction.
If you want to see far-right content and spam, join a far-right server or run your own, rather than trying to shame server owners into doing what you want.
Admins are entitled to decide what they platform and what they donβt. On top of that, the user experience of βjust block 100 servers of Nazis and incels to get to the content you want to seeβ is complete dogshit.
This βit should all be user levelβ is just apologist bullshit.
Did anybody say admins arenβt entitled to block stuff? User just wanted a system to see everything and block what they didnβt want.
Fuck off with this aggressive bad-faith shit.
Did anybody say admins arenβt entitled to block stuff?
I mean, itβs a user complaining about defederation from known nazi instances. It gives off some big βfree speech absolutist (as long as the free speech is hate speech)β vibes.
User just wanted a system to see everything and block what they didnβt want.
That system already exists. You can spin up your own instance in like 15 minutes, and have access to the entire unfiltered fediverse. But nobody wants to do that, because nobody actually wants to see the unfiltered fediverse. That shit is basically rawdogging the internet, because itβs full of extremists and pedophiles.
There is only one side who benefits from the βeverything unfiltered by default, the user has to individually wade through mountains of slurs, hate, doxxing, and child porn to manually block all of themβ option. And it isnβt the user. The only side that benefits is the side that now gets to peddle their BS to a wider audience.
If you genuinely want the fediverse to improve and grow, advocating for unfiltering isnβt the way. That shit will scare off any curious new users faster than any kind of reasonable filtering would. Imagine you make a new account, and your first interactions are blocking a thousand individual instances just so you donβt end up on a federal watch list.
Did anybody say admins arenβt entitled to block stuff
His βdefederation bad (except pedos)β isnβt exactly wet with support for blocking instances for spam and extremism.
User just wanted a system to see everything and block what they didnβt want.
That system exists. Itβs the βrun your own serverβ that I explicitly mentioned. But letβs be honest, he doesnβt want that system (which again, he already has) for himself, he wants it for everyone else.
Itβs the same bullshit that βfree speech absolutistsβ push in every single thread about defederation β admins should be hands off and users should dig through through slurs, racism, homophobia looking for content worth engaging with.
It benefits exactly one group of people but apparently doesnβt set off your βbad-faithβ radar.
At least on Lemmy, defederating is also a way of banning all the instanceβs users from your communities. If youβre constantly banning one instanceβs users and their admins seem fine with it, thereβs really no other way.
I wish I, an individual account, could defederate from instances, like some way to block all those instancesβ users.
the lemmy devs added per user instance blocks a while ago. Check your settings page
Because in order to block content, the user first has to see it. If I were an instance admin, I wouldnβt force my users to see any amount of N words and homophobic slurs, not even the once it takes to block it.
With a blocklist, the user is putting their trust in an unnamed group of people with essentially no accountability. With defederation, the user puts their trust in admins they can talk to, with a public modlog to explain every decision. Youβre proposing to take the same amount of control away from users, but with less accountability.
Anything illegal posted on a remote server will bring legal trouble to you as a server admin the moment it federates onto your instance. Therefore I completely understand them defederating from instances with a high risk of illegal activity.
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Selective federation is a benefit. Itβs by design. Itβs helpful in precisely these circumstances. And as itβs open source, the users of the service can use the feature how they want. Itβs entirely reasonable that instance admins use the feature as intended to protect against regional legal liability. What youβre doing is like using a canoe, and then complaining that thereβs too much water in these here parts.
