Comment by Lifted_lowered@lemmy.world on Winning is relative

Instead of being smug Europeans could try to help foster solidarity amongst the workers of the world and help Americans fight for their labor rights

Who cares about Americans?

Thanks for your comment. I’m currently out of office on annual summer vacation until 30th sep 2023.

maybe stop calling everybody on this side a “sOcIaLiSt” and we might feel like it

Imagine thinking that the American posting asking for worker’s solidarity is somehow not left of the socialists

OP being smug also increases the reach of the post by a lot compared to a dry post about solidarity.

Ok, how do I, as an individual, do that?

I would recommend you start by joining the Industrial Workers of the World and paying monthly dues to empower the union to fight the fight necessary. https://www.iww.org/membership/

I’m in a union here in Germany. Why am I supposed to pay up for the folks in the US who still act against their interests and refuse to unionize or vote for worker’s rights?

There is a difference in interests at work between employees and employers. Even if someone doesn’t own the business, if they have real hiring and firing power over other workers then they count as an employer to us.

I have two direct reports at work, so it seems like they consider me an employer, and I’m not eligible to join.

yep, capitalist scum

By posting memes on Lemmy to piss off Americans, so they start to take formative action after they research the memes context and realise they don’t have free health care, cheap/free post secondary education, and mandatory holidays like the EU bros.

Tldr: Post them memes buddy!

Edit: guys… this is c/memes. Y’all are taking this way too literally lmao. Lighten up a bit ffs.

Free healthcare does not exist. Someone will pay the bill. The bill may not be ridiculously inflated but someone pays.

Lol, the bill is literally a piece of paper backed by other pieces of paper that the richest people on the planet demand have value because they choose who has the paper they hand out.

What you mean to say is, the labor must be done, and it is. The part you refuse to accept is the laborers must have a sustainable life and they don’t.

Ok, enjoy socialist healthcare like cuba then…

laborers being fairly compensated is socialism

Dude you can’t survive as a boot licking parasite for very long. Eventually the boot steps.

What pathetic ideology do you believe in that it excludes a fair wage for workers?

There are many other countries with socialised healthcare.

Not sure why you’d single out that particular country. Not to be rude, but it sounds like your implied preference may be more ideological than evidence based.

Who does socialised healthcare hurt, anyway?

I’m not saying you’re wrong but you are being pedantic: aka the worst kind of right.

It’s free in the same sense that a free school lunch is free: the exchange of money happened long before/after the actual goods or services get to the person who needs it

I am not pedantic. I am precise. People need to understand that other people pay for their treatment and it does not just happen.

No one thinks that though so I’m not sure who you’re trying to preach to.

People know and understand that - that’s why countries with high tax rates aren’t seeing people throw tea in the water on a regular basis. They understand that they have representation and a share in the value that comes having those relatively high tax rates.

They know. Most people that use that argument just want to make their position known, ie: socialism bad.

Why are they using wrong language and disregarding peoples contributions then?

No, we also talk about it because it stops working when people don’t treat it right. In Germany the system will very likely change because it is not affordable anymore. Politicians are already discussing things like people should have to pay the first few thousands of healthcare costs by themselves.

Yeah I know, perhaps you might say thats still better than in America. But to treat it like healthcare is free and grows on trees is just false. But because a lot of people treated it that way it’s now going downhill.

Talking about that doesn’t make you anti-socialism. It’s really discerning how people on social media only accepts discussion that follows the overall cheers. You aren’t against something just because you want to discuss it.

I guess what Europeans mean by free healthcare is healthcare that doesn’t structurally fuck over the poor, and makes what’s left of the middle class poor as soon as they have a bit of bad luck regarding their health.

Most people that consider european healthcare free do not pay for healthcare because they are still studying. Healthcare is cheaper because the insurance companies are involved in paying the bills and negotiating prices where in the us there is no negotiation.

Healthcare is essentially a progressive tax in Germany. You pay based on your income - and none if you have none, but you get care based on your needs.

I pay around 1300€/month (split about equal between me and my employer, and I’m pretty well paid), even though I cost maybe 10€/month, and the rest is a form of solidarity. That also means, I will literally never be in a situation where I can’t pay for healthcare, even if I’m unemployed.

No shit, literally no one actually thinks this when they say “free healthcare” what they mean is that it’s free for the individual. As in, you don’t have to deplete your life savings because you had an injury.

It is not free for the individual. People pay 800 Euro for healthcare per month regardless if they need it or not. Everyone contributes to paying the bills except the young and very poor.

That’s because those two groups CANT PAY THE TAX CAUSE THEY DONT HAVE ANY MONEY.

Do you also hate public roads? After all your taxes go to fixing those even if you don’t own a car!

We can play this dumb shit game all day.

Please show me a single European under public healthcare paying 800 euro per month…

If you live in the UK and earn £100k per annum (which puts you in the highest tax bracket), then you are paying £460 per month for all social securities including healthcare. If you earn less, you pay less. Where did you get this €800 from? Your dumb ass?

That’s not much of an argument when you consider that places like the US still spend just as much money with Healthcare, without providing free services to the population.

We are very aware of the shittiness of our labor laws

Motivation to even want to have some solidarity instead of smugness is the first step honey.

That fight is on your own.

Establish more labor unions! This is the only solution.

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