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You’re just redefining your position to be a tiny bit less nutty. Your original assertion that “the upper classes do not want the lower classes free on any level” remains preposterous.

Wealthy people hate e-bikes and e-scooters because they can afford fancy cars and e-scooters cluttering up the sidewalk or zipping through the dog park are a minor inconvenience.

That really is all there is to it.

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I am not trying to make my position any less nutty. I assert it is equally as nutty as before, which is to say not very nutty at all.

It’s more than it being a minor inconvenience. If this were a pass time of the rich, the inconvenience would not be regulated. For instance, hobby sailing or expensive motorcycle riding is annoying and there isn’t constant discussions about how to regulate it to make it harder for people to do those things.

You’re wrong on this, you don’t get it but you are.

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Ah yes. The hallmark of enlightened discussion - “you’re just wrong but you don’t know it”.

Continue feeling persecuted by wealthy e-bike haters suppressing your freedom for their personal benefit you nutter.

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I don’t own an e-bike or feel persecuted by wealthy people, you presumptuous gas-lighter.

You’re also assuming I don’t either have money or have wealth in my family, that I’m some angry lower class Marxist inventing reasons to be angry at the upper classes. You don’t know me or my life or anything about me. Your anti-Marxism and anti-paranoia has left you naive as to the sadism and avarice of humanity.

One person who I had a romantic relationship with literally talked to me about how he sold things that harmed poor people but someone was going to do it and the poor were stupid and these things just happen. He made millions doing what he did and was both extremely intelligent and cruel.

When slaves used to run off the plantations, slave owners put iron boxes over their heads after. Children used to work long hours in factories. People in China have committed suicide from working so much, because their lives are so miserable. None of these things were or are “needed.” Not all cruelty and sadism has been eliminated. Not wanting the lower classes to be happy or free was part of it and on some level it still is, despite wealthy platitudes about giving and gestures of helping that don’t structurally change things.

Rich people are at times sadistic and cruel to poor people, rich people not liking poor people is real. And e-bikes are not simply just frowned upon because they are annoying. You just lack the intelligence to see that classism is part of the equation. This isn’t to say you’re a moron, perhaps you’re intelligent at some things, but you lack the insight to see that a lack of open class warfare doesn’t mean that upper classes have no motivation to sustain their lifestyles and that poor people doing well could be a threat to that. The fact that wealthy giving does lift some people up, and the fact that socialism that doesn’t reward individual effort leads to people being very lazy, doesn’t negate these things.

Go gaslight someone else who won’t respond to your tripe.

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