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Wow whoosh. The point is that “AI” isn’t actually “intelligent” like a human and thus can’t “hallucinate” like an intelligent human.

All of this anthropomorphic terminology is just misleading marketing bullshit.

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Who said anything about human intelligence? AIs have a different kind of intelligence, an artificial kind. I’m tired of pretending they don’t

Ever heard of the Turing test? Ever since AIs could pass it it became not a thing. Before that, playing Go was the mark of AI.

Any time an AI achieves a new thing people move goalposts. So I ask you: what does AI need to achieve to have intelligence?

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The Turing Test says that any person could have any conversation with a machine and there’s no chance you could tell it’s a machine. It does not say that one person could have one conversation with a machine and not be able to tell.

Current text generation models out themselves all the damn time. It can’t actually understand the underlying concepts of words. It just predicts what bit of text would be most convincing to a human based on previous text.

Playing Go was never the mark of AI, it was the mark of improving game-playing machines. It doesn’t represent “intelligence”, only an ability to predict what should happen next based on a set of training data.

It’s worth noting that after Lee Se Dol lost to Alphago, researchers found a fairly trivial Go strategy that could reliably beat the machine. It was simply such an easy strategy to counter that none of the games in the training data had included anyone attempting that strategy, so the algorithm didn’t account for how to counter it. Because the computer doesn’t know Go theory, it only knows how to predict what to do next based on the training data.

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Detecting the machine correctly once is not enough. You need to guess correctly most of the time to statistically prove it’s not by chance. It’s possible for some people to do this, but I’ve seen a lot of comments on websites accusing HUMAN answers of being written by AIs.

If the current chat bots improve to reliably not be detected, would that be intelligence then?

KataGo just fixed that bug by putting those positions into the training data. The reason it wasn’t in the training data is because the training data at first was just self-play games. When games that are losses for the AI from humans are included, the bug is fixed.

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The same thing actually passing a turing test would require. You’ve obviously read the words “Turing test” somewhere and thought you understood what it meant, but no robot we’ve ever produced as a species has passed the turing test. It EXPLICITLY requires that intelligence equal to (or indistinguishable from) HUMAN intelligence is shown. Without a liar reading responses, no AI we’ll produce for decades will pass the turing test.

No large language model has intelligence. They’re just complicated call and response mechanisms that guess what answer we want based on a weighted response system (we tell it directly or tell another machine how to help it “weigh” words in a response). Obviously with anything that requires massive amounts of input or nuance, like language, it’ll only be right about what it was guided on, which is limited to areas it is trained in.

We don’t have any novel interactions with AI. They are regurgitation engines, bringing forward sentences that aren’t theirs piecemeal. Given ten messages, I’m confident no major LLM would pass a Turing test.

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The Turing test is flawed, because while it is supposed to test for intelligence it really just tests for a convincing fake. Depending on how you set it up I wouldn’t be surprised if a modern LLM could pass it, at least some of the time. That doesn’t mean they are intelligent, they aren’t, but I don’t think the Turing test is good justification.

For me the only justification you need is that they predict one word (or even letter!) at a time. ChatGPT doesn’t plan a whole sentence out in advance, it works token by token… The input to each prediction is just everything so far, up to the last word. When it starts writing “As…” it has no concept of the fact that it’s going to write “…an AI A language model” until it gets through those words.

Frankly, given that fact it’s amazing that LLMs can be as powerful as they are. They don’t check anything, think about their answer, or even consider how to phrase a sentence. Everything they do comes from predicting the next token… An incredible piece of technology, despite it’s obvious flaws.

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The chat bots will pass the Turing test in a few years, maybe 5. Would that be intelligence then?

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Have you ever heard of the Turing test?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

Here you go since you’ve heard of it but don’t understand it.

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Current AIs pass it, since most people can’t reasonably tell between AI and human-written stuff every time

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Ever heard of the Turing test? Ever since AIs could pass it it became not a thing.

In place of the Turing test we have a new test that informs us whether an individual can properly identify a stochastic parrot

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People can mean different things. Intelligence can mean a calculator doing a sum, and it can mean the way humans talk to each other. AI can do some intelligent things without people agreeing that it’s intelligent in the latter sense.

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