Did he do it for the memes?

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244 points

Even if he goes full and permanent vegetable, he’s still not Trump. Top priority is stopping Orange Hitler from taking control again, so please for the love of human rights, vote for whoever has the the best shot at beating him - if that’s Biden, cool. If it’s Harris, cool. If it’s a literal ham sandwich, fucking fine - all three are orders of magnitude more qualified to do the job then Trump.

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63 points

Yeah, I’ll vote blue… But get this fucker off the ticket. I’d much rather it be Kamala, or like… Nearly anyone really.

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Yeah, the question isn’t who Democrats will vote for. It’s who independents will vote for. And there are a lot of independents.

Relying on the “Never Trump” vote to win this election feels like a terrible risk.

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And if we’re simply relying on “never Trump” then it shouldn’t matter if Biden steps down because the goal is still the same.

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The question is who will turn out to vote. The number of “independents” who don’t overwhelmingly vote republican or democratic is vanishingly small. This is found time and time again. Ultimately it’s a question of which electorate turns out and which is demotivated enough not to.

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We don’t have democracy anymore.

First, the SCOTUS ruling did away with that last week, but let’s ignore that for now…

We have a fascist authoritarian in charge who refuses to even consider stepping down until he dies - certainly he is not going to let the people decide who gets to be the Democratic nominee - vs. someone who will become a dictator for life and do the same, but somehow much, MUCH worse.

I hope that many people vote Blue No Matter Who… yet I fear that many independents won’t.

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Anyone supposedly independent or undecided at this point is and idgit voter who will either stay home or vote for Trump.

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25 points

I’ve been trying to be positive about him but he’s really indefensible at this point.

His hubris is very likely going to fuck things up for everyone.

Any other candidate will wipe the floor with trump.

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18 points

I think Kamala would be one of the single worst candidates we could put forth, but what do I know? I only worked for the dumpster fire of a DoJ she was partly responsible for.

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4 points

hey now, the US has a long and storied history of loving the fuck out of female presidential candidates.

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Maybe. Though I say we just come together, get his ass in, and then in the first year also get his ass out and let the VP or Speaker step in. Like it or not, changing now IS risky and it is arguable whether it’s the better choice. I’ll go with what the majority chooses because fighting against Trump and the GOP is what’s important.

Let me repeat: We are in the game where we must do what the Republicans do and come together against a common enemy. So I recommend everyone agree on a candidate then shut up and checkmark that box. We can go back to verbally juxtaposing our positions through digital larping, or whatever it is we do when most of us forget politics exist for four years.

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31 points

I will take weekend at Bernie’s in the White House with people who actually understand policies over fascist bat shit crazy any day. Not even a discussion for me.

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11 points

Why does Bernie only get to serve a weekend at the White House and not a full term?

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7 points

He wouldn’t even be our first weekend at Bernie’s president. There’s Wilson and Reagan that I’m aware of and probably a couple that I’m not.

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4 points

weekend at Bernie’s in the White House

I’d watch the hell out of that

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2 points

Weekend at Bernie’s 2: the White House Special

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I think this is a dangerous attitude. He’s made some gaffs recently but overall has not been a terrible person or leader. Supporting the possibility of dropping a candidate this late in the game especially when there are no super star saviors waiting in the wings is the kind of party weakness the GOP would eat up and is a recipe for failure. You don’t have to love him at this point, but it’s too late to start over, just suck it up make a donation to his campaign and vow to become more involved in political change at earlier levels so hopefully we are not in this mess again.

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I’m voting Joe because he is still the only qualified candidate for the job. The package he brings is a Vice President who could do the job if he were to step down due to health/age concerns to guarantee a female President as his dream come true. She then gets to pick her Vice President which should absolutely be AOC. The opposition has no convincing argument to draw this out in a court as they would need to present their arguments to AOC for rebuttal,

It’s just so batshit crazy it can’t fail.

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I’m voting Joe because he is still the only qualified candidate for the job.

There’s a couple of hundred million other qualified candidates in the US. If you’re looking for politicial experience, there’s several hundred in Washington alone.

Dems have totally failed to bring through the next two or three generations of candidates. That the party feels that he’s their only choice is shameful.

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Since when has the opposition needed convincing arguments to drag things out? They’ll come up with whatever bullshit they want just to keep stuff from moving forward until they get the ball again.

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2 points

Tell that to Hillary Clinton…

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He has been a terrible candidate though. If the polling is accurate and trump has a slight lead in popular vote, Biden has less than a 5% chance of winning the election (according to Nate Silver’s models). Unfortunately, this is probably optimistic as polling has overestimated the democratic vote in the last 2 presidential elections including the one that included these same two candidates.

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Nate Silver is terrible and usually terribly wrong, but just step outside the last year and it’s been crystal clear Biden would and will 100% lose the Electoral College to Dump. No amount of Cult Jr telling us to just vote blue no matter who is going to change that. Most Americans don’t know the difference between a row and a column or a watch and a warning, they aren’t thinking critically about Presidential elections.

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That’s just not flying with the ~100,000 people who are actually going to decide this election. They aren’t going to vote Biden. Polling is making this very clear over the last week or so.

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Since literally anyone will be Not Trump then can we have someone actually good? That way we’d have “not Trump” and “actually good” both working for us! Win win!

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We can. But we won’t. Murican politics will be riding this death spiral all the way into its grave.

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Going into survival mode forever, where either party can do whatever the frick they want, because they others mustn’t win! Nice system you got there, where it’s like 50\50 every time!

They present you a Trump and therefore they can even kill your kids, as long as Trump doesn’t win. It’s a scam… both parties are in it. But they divided you all so perfectly fine, you stopped thinking a long time ago.

Looking forward to your comments, telling me about NO BOth SIdeS!

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11 points

Not sure why the downvotes. The American duopoly is a scam, you are very right. If there is any hope for change it needs to start lower down the food chain. Support the forward party, get involved in local politics, rally against gerrymandering as a hard as possible.

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Its truly an absolute shit system and it keeps itself propped up this way. What will it even take to see blue and red completely removed? Theyre both terrible options for the future of our world, but when November comes around, they’re still on the ballot.

Until a revamped Constitution is written by people of all genders, colors, faith, wealth, and education, this will never end.

We can do better than this and it needs to happen now. Its already too late, but we can help slow the damage to our planet if we act quickly.

Tired of these popularity contests when we’re literally living in a mass extinction.

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The US Constitution is not responsible for the 2-party duopoly. It actually grants us the freedom to have all the political parties we want, and corporate oligarchy has entrenched the current 2 parties. What we really need is corporate money banned from politics, starting with a reversal of Citizens United decision.

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