It’s almost like people throw a fit over everything new for little reason other than not what they’re used to. TNG was whined about. Ds9. Voyager. Discovery is in good company. Still Trek, no matter what anyone whines otherwise
Nah.
Lower Decks and SNW is generally well liked even though it’s new and not what people are used to (LD is a wacky cartoon comedy).
Both TNG and DS9 were bad shows in the beginning (DS9 could be described as ok-ish, but it ran concurrently to TNG in its prime, so looked worse in comparison). Fans didn’t dislike them because they were new and then got use to them, they disliked them because they started out bad and then liked them because they got better. VOY and Enterprise are generally considered bad to highly flawed (ENT 3rd season being the exception because, again, it was good).
There are PLENTY of reasons not to like Discovery. You enjoyed it? Great, have fun. No need to dismiss people not liking it because it’s new or whatever.
When The Last Jedi came out I went to see it with some friends who were big Star Wars fans. I thought it was fun, they hated all of it. I said to them “I guess I am not big enough of a Star Wars fan to hate Star Wars that much.” The same is true for almost everything.
Yup. Proudly love the Sequels too. There are some flaws in them, don’t get me wrong, but it’s new Star Wars that expanded on what we got. Personally I found that a thousand times more interesting than the endless void of fanfiction being peddled as ‘believe in whatever you prefer!’
I’ve been a Star Wars fan for almost three decades and I think almost all Disney Star Wars is “fine” at worst. Even most of the things I didn’t like had some sort of redeeming qualities, or I could recognize that I wasn’t the target audience. The only thing I truly hated was Rise of the Skywalker, which is quite possibly my least favourite Star Wars thing ever.
I realize this puts me in the very small minority among Star Wars fans, and it’s the reason I tend to avoid fan discussions these days - the relentless negativity is exhausting and leaves little room for discussing the things about Disney Star Wars I find good and/or interesting.
I’m with you buddy. On pretty much everything. There are things in Rise of Skywalker I like (Rey’s new lightsaber is bitching but I also actually do like her taking the name Skywalker) but most of it feels like it was written by 14 people at the same time. But the sequels in general I do like quite a bit. BB8 is adorable, Rey is awesome, Finn is hot as balls, Poe can equally get it and I loved seeing Carrie Fisher back in the saddle
I’m just happy to have new Trek shows after like 15 years lol and now there’s SO many
Plus, DIS really got into the groove after the first 2 seasons, which is a common problem IMO for many Trek series from TNG to ENT
Up until Lower Decks, no Star Trek show had a good first season. Most of them had a rocky second as well. Also why I balk everytime someone says “Yeah I watched the first couple episodes of the first season and gave up.” But you sat through the first season of TNG and the first 3 of Voyager with no issue?! Seasons that are twice as long?!
Maybe it’s simply that the format changes a lot.
TNG is much different from TOS and some people don’t like that style.
I can honestly say that I find Discovery extremely frantic, boring and way too contemporary, but that’s just my expectation towards Trek. Others have different tastes.
Maybe it’s simply that the format changes a lot.
Then that makes the complaints even more pointless. If the format and style of the series changes continuously then what basis do people have for whining that it “doesn’t feel like Star Trek”?
I feel that frequently a lot of complaints about the show are directed towards the entire series as a whole. That Discovery doesn’t fit for whatever reason. Yet these people are the ones who are wrapping up so much variety throughout the shows to one ‘feeling’ and when it doesn’t fit they check out.
Yeah, if you don’t like that style that’s perfectly fine. Personally I don’t like the style of DS9. But I’m not out here saying that because it’s different than what I am used to and what I like that it “isn’t Star Trek” or “doesn’t feel like Star Trek.”
I’ve said this before but Star Trek shows off diversity through as many aliens and characters as they can. Why are people so angry when the shows themselves do the same thing?
I’d argue that there are different categories of Trek-feel. TOS is different from TNG and DS9, and the “new Treks” are different from those TNG/DS9.
The new Treks are all much more modern and contemporary. The production styles are completely different, the underlying topics are much closer to reality. It is a completely different category of show, that just happens to take place in the same universe.
Whether that’s a good thing or not, is up to debate. But arguing that “this is not my Trek anymore” is invalid, is just wrong.
Ds9: where’s the exploring? They’re on a space station!
Voyager: where are all the aliens we know about?
Enterprise: it’s been a long road.
With time, they all got their space. (This is me agreeing)
All Trek is equal.
With the exception of Code of Honor and that racist ass shit they wrote for Chakotay
Is there anyone who dislikes Lower Decks? I’d say LD is more equal than the others.
All Trek is equal.
Yo them’s fighting words Stamets. Obviously Year of Hell is above all the rest.
Voyager is the only series, Kate Mulgrew & Robert Picardo will save us all.
