The most credit I’ll give him is on understanding design, at least for the idea of making things look nice for marketing purposes. I hear what you’re saying though.

I do think Woz, who is just impressive, would have done well regardless. But I agree, likely not to the same extent of being a name many people know.

Who, of course, was getting dicked over by Jobs before Apple was even a thing, because Jobs was a thief in so many ways. But I digress.

It’s a shame so many idolize that garbage.