A lot of privacy guides suggest avoiding Telegram. I understand that in its default mode there’s no E2EE (and no E2EE for groups at all). If people I know don’t wanttko use Signal, isn’t Telegram the lesser evil given it’s nicer privacy policy (than other popular ones)?

Say I use the FOSS version of it.

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What keeps me from using Telegram is the server side is closed source; they have been known to work with governments; and been willing to censor content. There are enough better options that I have zero use for them.

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People like you, who make fun of people who are simply ignorant but are actually trying to learn and asking questions, are cringe.

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The privacy policy doesn’t matter if no data is saved unencrypted or with no metatdata.

The only thing Signal saves (which is proofed by a law case afaik) is the phone number and the account creation date.

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Thanks everyone on sharing your thoughts ln this! This has been really helpful!

I see some saying their policy says one thing about cooperation with law enforcement but they seem to have been doing just the opposite, reducing the trust overall in the rest of their promises (e.g. their data collection).

Some compared to the closer to ideal apps such as Signal or Matrix in terms of privacy.

I’m curious to also hear what do you do to compromise to keep your social connections? The practical side of navigating the current state of the Internet and people’s social life.

It’s been an uphill battle with asking folks to use Signal, and Telegram seem to be better than giving out info to Meta.

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Telegram straight up lies about sharing data with governments: https://restoreprivacy.com/telegram-sharing-user-data/

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This. Our fucking government can instruct Telegram to ban any channel or user they don’t like.

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Banning channels is not the same as sharing private data

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If not the latter, how the former? Messages is and should be private data as well.

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