Only socialism and communism try to ensure everyone survives. This isn’t really an attack on capitalism. This is also the reason we have nationalism, racism etc, no?
In any case, technology and efficiency mean we could support more people being alive and with better lives if we really did want to. Plus there’s the potential of mining and colonisation of space. We’ve barely scratched the surface. Vertical farms might be the future.
But that wouldn’t generate as much profit, see! You gotta have Scarcity, otherwise ya cannot jack up the prices so high!
also: permaculture regenerative agriculture ecological stability dynamic equilibrium etc
also, news: India’s regenerative water permaculture development
That might be the stated intent, but it seems plain that once the leaders are in positions of power and authority, they abuse their power. This is why, as fallible as is democracy, it is superior.
I would also contend that the outcomes for those living under communism are vastly inferior to those living under capitalism. I’ve always been bemused by arguments that all the repeated attempts “don’t count,” as though seventh time is the charm and suddenly the major issues will be worked out.
I would also contend that the outcomes for those living under communism are vastly inferior to those living under capitalism.
The notion that there are no corruption issues in capitalist countries is also bizarre. Are you perpetually anglo-brained in that you only think of the western imperial core when you think about “capitalism”? You are ignoring most of the world.
20million people die to easily preventable things under capitalism around the world every single year. Hunger, clean water, curable disease. Things that we can solve immediately with the resources we already have simply by having leadership that decides to do so. The fact you think this is reasonable is frankly disgusting.
You’re wrong. Socialism objectively provides a higher physical quality of life to its citizens when compared to capitalism at an equal level of development.
That’s a pretty big switcheroo there. Communism isn’t socialism, and the socialism as described in the link is called democratic socialism. I.e. democracy with redistribution. Which all Western countries practise. Your link reinforces my premise.
The notion that there are no corruption issues in capitalist countries is also bizarre.
Nobody claimed that. You keep making up straw men. We’d have a more productive discussion if you just replied to what I wrote.
20million people die to easily preventable things under capitalism around the world every single year.
That the rate of hunger has dropped precipitously while population has exploded in the most impoverished regions is testament to the incredible achievement of capitalism. Child mortality is at an all time low. You’re arguing that because things aren’t perfect, capitalism is bad. Clearly the world isn’t so black and white. No system of resource allocation is perfect, least of all communism.
But really this isn’t about capitalism. It’s about politics. We can choose to tax people more and redistribute locally and abroad. We choose that when we vote. Capitalism just ensures we have lots of resources and products and services.
That might be the stated intent, but it seems plain that once the leaders are in positions of power and authority, they abuse their power. This is why, as fallible as is democracy, it is superior.
Do you think that socialism/communism is not a democratic system?
Under communism, no. Marx explicitly prescribed violent revolution to overthrow democracy. He prescribes implementing democracy after the glorious revolution, but previous attempts never progressed to that point. Communism is authoritarian in nature, as it seeks to disempower the individual and strip them of their property rights, in favour of the collective.
As for socialism, it depends what you mean. Democratic socialism, which is what Western countries practise, is democratic. Socialism is:
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
This is incompatible with democracy. Democracy requires rule of law and property rights as a foundation. Stripping people of their property rights is authoritarian. It cannot be maintained under a democracy as individuals in the West would vote for their liberty, as they do today. This necessitates authoritarian control.
The pitfalls of our current systems preclude us getting to the point of utilizing space to any meaningful extent. Better to forgo the hypothetical Star Trek romanticized fiction and just fix what we have here; then maybe we can think about that stuff.
At this stage, the mere mention of any such possibility is a distraction from the gravity of the situations we face. It’s a mere tool to keep the apple cart going, while people are literally dying from our own collective hubris.
Vertical farms might be the future.
WDYM “might”, it’s already happening, just slowly. Not every modern city has lots of skyscrapers.
Plus there’s the potential of mining and colonisation of space.
Very limited. Though I like the idea of toroid stations with mirrors in L points, like Stanford torus, which is IIRC not considered cool now due to being expensive and complex to build.
Maybe not toroid, but asymmetric rotating pendulum-like thing, with another end being ballast. For gravity.
Anyway, you don’t realize how much less efficiency existing on Earth requires. It’s really easier to fix our shit here before going into space. Space is so cool that it’s worth the effort, but real colonization doesn’t make sense economically yet.
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Lmao, alright alright… ya got me with this one. Just saying thanks for the little laugh
Ah, I have a friend like that. We don’t invite him to parties anymore.
Ah, welcome to our NFT talk.
