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Which party do I vote for that stops spending money on weapons or war?

Or, at the very fucking least, spent less money on weapons or war than the year before?

EDIT: I notice all the downvoters don’t actually respond to a point in which both parties are the same that literally drives a lot of the domestic issues we have.

Stop defending murdering people in other countries. It’s also pretty racist as most of those people are not white.

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Which party do I vote for that stops spending money on weapons or war?

Probably one of the third parties running who they are encouraging you not to “waste” your vote on

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More importantly than president: Down ballot. Start with your local representative and non federal positions. Local elections usually have less party lines and you may find political alignment there.

The Presidency is mostly a sock puppet for the military industrial complex. We aren’t catching lightning in a bottle there.

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The Presidency is mostly a sock puppet for the military industrial complex. We aren’t catching lightning in a bottle there.

So, just to be clear, in matters involving the military industrial complex, both parties are the same?

Like the original post is asking to be reminded about in a snarky fashion obviously trying to imply that there is no way they’re the same?

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The military industrial complex is a pretty bipartisan issue. It is probably the most bipartisan issue in American politics.

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Diarrhea and constipation are on separate ends of the scale. But both are the same in that they are shit, and no one wants them.

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They both serve the rich first and foremost which is a critical issue for them to be “both sides” on. Yes, republicans are worse, but that doesn’t make democrats good.

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No party that “served the rich” would’ve even let people like Bernie into the party, let alone give them committee assignments and let them run for president on their ticket.

There’s no point in arguing that the Democratic Party is entirely controlled by the rich other than to encourage political nihilism. It has always been possible and always will be possible to beat wins out of (or even change/become) the party establishment through concerted effort and activism, as happened in the 30s, the Civil Rights Era, and the purging of the Blue Dogs after the Civil Rights era.

Bernie’s losses were disheartening, but abandoning any effort to sway the democrats and writing them off as “servants of the rich” when the decade before 2016 had been one of growing progressivism within the party and when Bernie unfortunately never even beat Hillary in a Dem Primary Poll, is the political equivalent of taking your ball and going home.

Bash on the DNC and NDC all you want, but until we replace them with progressives like was done to the segregationist dems or lose doing so, there’s no point in writing off the Democratic Party.

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That they fought harder to stop Bernie from getting the nomination twice than they ever fought against trump speaks volumes. Just because they allow progressives to do a few minimal things, doesn’t mean the party does not serve the rich first and foremost. This is like how freedom of speech is allowed until it becomes a threat to the establishment (see pro-Palestinian protests that were shut down with bullshit excuses). When the possibility arose that Bernie could make actual significant change, the party threw a shitfit.

The democratic party will never be replaced with progressives because their donors won’t allow it.

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That they fought harder to stop Bernie from getting the nomination twice than they ever fought against trump speaks volumes.

I don’t remember almost every single Democrat bashing Bernie publicly every single time they had the chance like most democrats did with Trump for the last 8 years. Are you not remembering the firestorm of statements from elected officials anytime Trump did something horrific?

The democratic party will never be replaced with progressives because their donors won’t allow it.

I bet Malcom X and the Segregationist Democrats would’ve felt the exact same, and yet that last set of reactionary Dems has been completely purged from the party since the 60s.

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They aren’t the same. They are bad in different ways. One side are corporate shills who are looking to depress the power of workers the other wants to kill blacks, lgbtqa+, Latinos and turn women into sex slave baby machines.

One is clearly worse and we should vote against them, but don’t tell me the Democrats aren’t bad.

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Aren’t republicans also corporate shills who are looking to depress the power of workers? And aren’t they much more open about being so?

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They absolutely are. My point was, and I apologize if it didn’t come through, republicans are bad in every way Democrats are and beyond. But the Democrats aren’t good.

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Yea but they gotta both sides somehow.

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Maybe your experience in a corrupt country doesn’t translate directly to ours…?

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Nothing is ever THAT equal. And you have the gall to call ME a naive idiot? I won’t be able to convince you, but you need to get a bigger perspective.

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