59 points

…the court sent the case back to the trial judge to determine which, if any of Trump’s actions, were part of his official duties and thus were protected from prosecution. That part of the court’s decision likely ensures that the case against Trump won’t be tried before the election, and then only if he is not reelected. If he is reelected, Trump could order the Justice Department to drop the charges against him, or he might try to pardon himself in the two pending federal cases.

What an absolute joke the Supreme Court is — this does nothing but ensure the case is delayed beyond the election.

Justice delayed is justice denied, and they just ensured that the president (and specifically Trump) is beyond the rule of law.

permalink
report
reply
33 points

The case is hardly the most important issue. A president who can order seal team 6 to kill their political opponent is. The SC is leading the insurection.

permalink
report
parent
reply
11 points

Vote me for president. I have a plan.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

I think you need to be a felon to go for president it seems

permalink
report
parent
reply
53 points
*

Justice Sotomayor did not hold back in her dissent:

"Looking beyond the fate of this particular prosecution, the long-term consequences of today’s decision are stark. The Court effectively creates a law-free zone around the President, upsetting the status quo that has existed since the Founding. This new official-acts immunity now “lies about like a loaded weapon” for any President that wishes to place his own interests, his own political survival, or his own financial gain, above the interests of the Nation. The President of the United States is the most powerful person in the country, and possibly the world. When he uses his official powers in any way, under the majority’s reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution. Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune. Let the President violate the law, let him exploit the trappings of his office for personal gain, let him use his official power for evil ends. Because if he knew that he may one day face liability for breaking the law, he might not be as bold and fearless as we would like him to be. That is the majority’s message today. Even if these nightmare scenarios never play out, and I pray they never do, the damage has been done. The relationship between the President and the people he serves has shifted irrevocably. In every use of official power, the President is now a king above the law.


The majority’s single-minded fixation on the President’s need for boldness and dispatch ignores the countervailing need for accountability and restraint. The Framers were not so single-minded. In the Federalist Papers, after “endeavor[ing] to show” that the Executive designed by the Constitution “combines . . . all the requisites to energy,” Alexander Hamilton asked a separate, equally important question: “Does it also combine the requisites to safety, in a republican sense, a due dependence on the people, a due responsibility?” The Federalist No. 77, p. 507 (J. Harvard Li- brary ed. 2009). The answer then was yes, based in part upon the President’s vulnerability to “prosecution in the common course of law.” Ibid. The answer after today is no. Never in the history of our Republic has a President had reason to believe that he would be immune from criminal prosecution if he used the trappings of his office to violate the criminal law. Moving forward, however, all former Presidents will be cloaked in such immunity. If the occupant of that office misuses official power for personal gain, the criminal law that the rest of us must abide will not provide a backstop. With fear for our democracy, I dissent."

permalink
report
reply
22 points

The entire dissent was a solid read, if you’re into that kind of stuff. Just another little choice quote which made me chuckle:

In sum, the majority today endorses an expansive vision of Presidential immunity that was never recognized by the Founders, any sitting President, the Executive Branch, or even President Trump’s lawyers, until now. Settled under- standings of the Constitution are of little use to the majority in this case, and so it ignores them

permalink
report
parent
reply
15 points

Does this mean the SCOTUS is giving Biden free reign to free up some seats?

permalink
report
parent
reply
14 points

It should, and the Democrats should absolutely use their own decision against them to reinstate a neutral Supreme Court. But I expect mild grumbling followed by silence.

permalink
report
parent
reply
10 points

Right. So I guess the main question now is what’s stopping Biden from going on a 3 month bender and reconstructing the entire government, from SCOTUS to Congress?

(Accidentally hit delete the first time)

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point
*

Right. So I guess the main question now is what’s stopping Biden from going on a 3 month bender and reconstructing the entire government, from SCOTUS to Congress?

permalink
report
parent
reply
45 points

*Supreme Court says Trump (or any president) has absolute immunity for core acts only - and they will decide what acts are “core”.

If it’s someone they like - absolute immunity!

If it’s someone they don’t like…

This is a right wing judicial coup.

permalink
report
reply
10 points

So the president just has every justice killed that disagrees with him what a core act is. Brilliant.

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

They actually sent it back to a lower court to classify the charges.

permalink
report
parent
reply
16 points

Which will be appealed to the SC because the SC didn’t set any test for what is and is not covered. So the SC will decide.

permalink
report
parent
reply
27 points

If we needed any more proof we’re not a democracy anymore…

permalink
report
reply
13 points

That ship sailed with Bush v Gore.

permalink
report
parent
reply
17 points

Lol we are so deeply fucked. This last week has been a bigger impact from SCOTUS alone that the election is small potatoes in comparison

permalink
report
reply
12 points

Lol we are so deeply fucked.

I don’t believe so. There are far too many people, in the US, that aren’t brainwashed simpletons. The fight for freedom will continue.

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

US citizens are some of the most propagandized people on this planet.

Yes, but it is targeted at the uneducated/uninformed.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

I really hope you are right, and tbh I’m going to hold that opinion going forward because it can be a self fulfilling one I think.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

The problem is we will have to go to war for it. I don’t think many will.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

I don’t believe so. There are far too many people, in the US, that aren’t brainwashed simpletons. The fight for freedom will continue.

Over half of the population can’t even be bothered to get off their asses to vote.

I applaud your optimism, but I think it’s a fantasy.

permalink
report
parent
reply

Politics

!politics@beehaw.org

Create post

In-depth political discussion from around the world; if it’s a political happening, you can post it here.


Guidelines for submissions:
  • Where possible, post the original source of information.
    • If there is a paywall, you can use alternative sources or provide an archive.today, 12ft.io, etc. link in the body.
  • Do not editorialize titles. Preserve the original title when possible; edits for clarity are fine.
  • Do not post ragebait or shock stories. These will be removed.
  • Do not post tabloid or blogspam stories. These will be removed.
  • Social media should be a source of last resort.

These guidelines will be enforced on a know-it-when-I-see-it basis.


Subcommunities on Beehaw:


This community’s icon was made by Aaron Schneider, under the CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.

Community stats

  • 1.8K

    Monthly active users

  • 1.6K

    Posts

  • 12K

    Comments