TLDR: there are no qualifying limitations on presidential immunity
Not only does any US president now have complete immunity from “official” actions(with zero qualifying restrictions or definitions), but if those actions are deemed “unofiicial”, no jury is legally allowed to witness the evidence in any way since that would interfere with the now infinitely broad “official” presidential prerogatives.
Furthermore, if an unofficial atrocity is decided on during an official act, like the president during the daily presidential briefing ordering the army to execute the US transexual population, the subsequent ordered executions will be considered legally official presidential acts since the recorded decision occurred during a presidential duty.
There are probably other horrors I haven’t considered yet.
Then again, absolute immunity is absolute immunity, so I don’t know how much threat recognition matters here.
If the US president can order an action, that action can be legally and officially carried out.
Not constitutionally, since the Constitution specifically holds any elected politician subject to the law, but legally and officially according to the supreme court, who has assumed higher power then the US Constitution to unconstitutionally allege that the US President is absolutely immune from all legal restrictions and consequences.
As a trans woman, cool. Real fuckin’ cool.
My worst fears got written down by someone else.
I don’t wanna get shot.
I wanna die of old age.
Absolute immunity is exactly how genocide and civil wars are facilitated.
I doubt it will get as far Rwanda better of societal complexity, but if someone awful is elected and they decide to execute trans, or arab, or left handed people, or decides to murder anyone themselves, there’s no reason why they should consider the legal allowance of or consequences of their actions before taking action and no way outside of specific new amendments to scrutinize, prosecute or guard against that action in the future.
The states now have to rely on the personal judgments and courage of everyone under the commander in chief, which is everyone, to refuse to carry out atrocities.
I happen to be moving to Europe for unrelated reasons, unironically you should consider something similar if you can. Fuck this place.
The bigger picture is always missing in these posts.
And that is that everything that’s happening has already happened in Russia. It’s how Putin got power - through the courts.
All a Republican president has to do now is make an official act that they are president for life, the supreme court agrees, and that’s that.
The second is that while only the president has immunity (meaning anyone killing people under their official order would still be illegal), the president can also pardon people. So it’s a loophole - anyone can kill under their official order, and then the president can just pardon them.
Two salient points:
This has not already happened in Russia.
In Russia, Vladimir Putin does not legally have absolute immunity.
China would have been a better example, since the Communist party is above the law and xi did abolish term limits for himself.
In the US, a president could not pardon themselves for state crimes, and the president murdering someone would have been a prosecutable state crime until this decision.
Not so anymore.
Early in the morning of July 8, 2025. Seal team 6 begins operation Orange Julius. At the same time, all around the country, under executive orders, sovereign citizens are rounded up and placed in immigration detention centers (you know why).
Maga Americans were swift to respond, but were no match for the US military, Joe Biden declared martial law, and made it a crime to wear red hats or raise the front of your truck only, even listening to Toby Keith could land you in prison.
…it could happen, to you
I just want to point out that no matter how much authority the US government gets, it never gets absolute power, because of our guns.
That’s a vaguely optimistic way to think about civil war, but I’m doubtful that
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people perpetually scared enough to find owning guns in urban environments necessary are going to disagree with the fear-mongering rhetoric a president-king invokes.
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owning guns translates into any sort of effective resistance
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it was worth killing children and civilians for decades in the hopes of an eventual opportunity to fight something
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civilians with their own guns won’t be choosing their own targets
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a sliver of power finally used to destroy a country is more important than the peaceful maintenance of representative democracy.
“Roe was legislating from the bench!”
…goes on to carve unlimited executive power out of thin air…
Yyyup.
Even when dumps was elected or roe was overturned, I was very disappointed but rationalized that voting could turn it around, even with a crappy voting system like the US has.
But granting absolute legal immunity to the most powerful branch of government is so broad and so reckless that I no longer clearly recognize any more safeguards on what can happen overnight to the US government.
Counterargument: The US dollar hasn’t budged since the ruling, so for some reason nobody else is worried yet.
I don’t really understand that.
