The Pentagon Is Accelerating AI and Autonomous Technology America’s military leaders are racing to deploy thousands of autonomous weapons and an AI-powered air monitoring system for Washington D.C.

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Maybe can we take a step back and ask whether we need thousands of AI defense bots at all? Or are we past that point?

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Realistically, who’s gonna stop them?

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I believe in you, or should I say, gggrrrrrrruuuuuuuuu(pardon my wokie I only had one semester in college)

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I don’t like it but I think we do. China and Russia will certainly have them and they will get ten times better in a same amount of years.

I watched the Ted talk on defense drivers. Scary shit. Thing is I work with commercial cameras and have, in hand, camera that can not only identify all kinds of objects such a human’s, they can recognize individual humans and put a name to them. They can recognize if people are loitering or if someone is being followed. They can reconsider a car from a truck from a bus from a bike. This is not done in a server but thru the power of the CPU in the camera alone. The cost. 500 dollars.

Point being the power available in such a low cost item is staggering. Combined with a weapons platform and it is scary. A terrorist group could distribute hundreds into bushes and they could just sit there for a week in low power mode, waiting to recognize a simple person and spring into action. This is stuff we have right now off the shelf.

What will be part of military arsenals in ten years will eclipse this current tech significantly. Troops won’t be ambushed by live human fire but by thousands of drones that care not for their survival.

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Can I get a few of those cameras and have them record any people around my house that aren’t me? What are they called?

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Hikvision line mainly if you want the low cost ones.

They won’t do a ‘not me’ identification. Mainly because it can only identify you or any person if they get a decent view of you. Basically the first event will be ‘i see a human’ and if you look at the camera then it can also do an event and say basically ‘Jack black’ is here. It is two different kind of events you need to turn on. But the person recognition can only fire if it recognizes you.

I thought the same thing is you in that I could have it ignore known people. But it like you looking out a window. You see someone from a distance. To recognize them you need them to come closer. Thus as a person you don’t call the cops or create an event immediately but at some point you might. The cameras are not quite that smart yet but as said, ten years?

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It’s the nuclear arms race part deux: AI boogaloo.

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What I think is dangerous is terrorists or mass killers getting dozens or hundreds of small drones and installing explosives on them. Install these cameras and CPUs you mentioned that can recognize human faces and have them fly into someone’s face and then explode.

You could kill many people and unless we start installing AA turrets all over our populated cities, there seems to be little we can do to stop it.

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I had mentioned that in an earlier post. It is pretty scary. They could sit in a bush for a month using extremely low power motion detection. See any motion turn on camera to look for human recognition.

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Autonomous drones made by China have been used in Papua New Guinea to bomb at least one village so I think the US is actually behind the curve in terms of the AI arms race.

This is one of those classical sci-fi apocalypse ideas, where humans make autonomous war machines they can’t turn off, and the machines outlive the humans and continue the war for them.

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How is it that when it comes to reckless ideas and notions Congress takes millions of years and the Pentagon takes no more than three business days to implement?

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Most military networks are closed circuit by design. I’m not sure how this could be implemented without also allowing back doors to be exploited. You wouldn’t want someone to be able to turn off your defenses as they begin an attack, for example.

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There are a number of ways to do it. You can transmit a one-time code to the device that you set up right beforehand. No one’s going to be able to guess your 1024 character one-time password.

You can even protect the password entry program itself with port knocking. If the right ports aren’t accessed in the right sequence, the enemy doesn’t even get a chance to try their passwords.

Every server is on the Internet 99.999% of the time. They are constantly being tested. The right cybersecurity tools are available now.

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Just make the code 00000 like the nuclear launch codes were for years.

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I’m sure (or at least I hope) nuclear weapons have similar systems in place so that they can be launched or shut off as needed?

In what ways would this be different

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Yeah, they don’t. Nuclear systems are for the most part closed sourced and built on DOS level hardware. Most of that shit can’t connect to the internet even if they wanted it to. The system you’re thinking about is radio waves between people talking.

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Makes sense :)

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The department of defense was hacked just a few years ago, suck a button would have to have access to an internet. Meaning anyone could get to it and shut off the drones and such

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They’ll just murder a bunch of people and then be turned off after having been shown to be ineffective too dangerous.

It’s not like AI is reliable at this point. Way too many people are actively ignoring experts pointing this fact out and instead obsessing over Skynet or w/e made up sci-fi BS.

Rather than be used for war, they’ll be used for threats of violence and propaganda. It’s not a new problem. It’s just a new version of that same problem.

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Rather than be used for war, they’ll be used for threats of violence and propaganda

Surveillance is the word you’re looking for. Take all those NSA pipelines and run them through an AI and BAM, you’ve got your “terrorists”.

AI will be downfall of our technological society, but not because of killer robots and malevolent systems. It’s going to make everyone completely and utterly incompetent at everything in life.

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Well said.

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It should be noted that individuals at the forefront of AI research have a direct bias against saying AI is dangerous. It’s their job, and saying anything which presents this research as dangerous could halt funding, and put them out of a job. It’s also their passion, though, so it’s an even bigger deal for them.

We have also seen individuals who have exited AI research calling for more regulation and ethics requirements. At the same time we are seeing AI ethics departments dismantled. These should stand out as red flags.

Autonomous drones are actively being used to bomb villages in Papua New Guinea. The idea that this kind of tech is “only going to be used for threats of violence and propaganda” is already outdated. It’s being used today, and the US just plans to also adopt the tech itself.

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humanity sucks

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