Seriously, Joe, do you not know the stakes? âSure, America fell to fascism, but I tried my best.â For fucks sake, Trump has straight up said he was going to be a dictator, and the Supreme Court will back him all the way. Itâs unbelievable that all that stands between us and the fall of the republic is a man in his 80s who isnât fully cognizant of the situation.
What an incredibly misleading article. ABC asked a leading question about what happens if he loses, then Axios misquoted him. Watch the video. Thereâs nothing âat peace with losingâ about his words or his attitude.
This is a low-effort hit piece. Absolutely pathetic yellow journalism.
Biden is absolutely right that the press has been wrong about everything, and they still are. Polling is not an accurate measure of presidential races outside of exit polling. Debates are a media circus and do not determine elections, and it would be absolute madness to abandon an incumbent.
Itâs increasingly clear that the press wants a second Trump presidency. Thankfully, they are far less relevant and far less competent than theyâd like to believe.
From the transcript:
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: And if you stay in and Trump is elected and everything youâre warning about comes to pass, how will you feel in January?
PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: Iâll feel as long as I gave it my all and I did the goodest job as I know I can do, thatâs what this is about. Look, George. Think of it this way. Youâve heard me say this before. I think the United States and the world is at an inflection point when the things that happen in the next several years are gonna determine what the next six, seven decades are gonna be like.
And whoâs gonna be able to hold NATO together like me? Whoâs gonna be able to be in a position where Iâm able to keep the Pacific Basin in a position where weâre-- weâre at least checkmating China now? Whoâs gonna-- whoâs gonna do that? Who has that reach? Who has-- who knows all these peâŚ? Weâre gonna have, I guess a good way to judge me, is youâre gonna have now the NATO conference here in the United States next week. Come listen. See what they say.
Even the full quote doesnât fill me with confidence. Bidenâs approval rating is about 37%, which is where George H. W. Bushâs was, and he didnât get re-elected. Youâd have to go back to Truman to find a president that got re-elected with a similar approval percentage. At this point, I donât think the incumbent advantage will save us.
I really am absolutely terrified that my life might be riding on this election. Honestly, Iâm at the point where I donât really care what it takes, the fascists must not be allowed to prevail. If that means moving on from Biden, fine. If it means guilting freaking Michelle Obama into running, fine. But if Biden is going to stay the nominee, he needs to recapture the American peopleâs confidence somehow, and Iâm not sure how heâs going to do it.
also, hereâs where I got the approval ratings data from:
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-BIDEN/POLL/nmopagnqapa/
https://news.gallup.com/poll/311825/presidential-job-approval-related-reelection-historically.aspx
I agree with a lot of what youâre saying, but we should also be aware of how this is shouldnât be the major discussion we are having. Whether Biden runs or not, it will be the same advisors, the same policies. Weâre allowing the media to run with the âBiden is old is somehow more of a concernâ talking point.
Thereâs many more reasons for Trump to be called on to drop out, yet everyone is focusing so hard on Biden itâs overshadowing the story of Trumpâs Epstein activity among other things.
And while we are arguing about whether Biden should or shouldnât, Trump and his supporters are getting away with all manner of evil shit. Even if the Democrats picked another candidate Iâm sure the media would then focus on how Biden dropping out somehow meant the Democrats were bad etc. not saying it shouldnât be discussed, just donât let it be the only discussion.
I donât want Trump to be replaced with a âbetterâ Republican candidate that is more likely to win, because I donât want Republicans to win.
I want Biden to be replaced with a better Democrat candidate that is more likely to win, because I want Democrats to win.
There is also no world in which actual Republicans will demand Trump exit the race, so itâs silly to think Democrats demanding that would mean anything.
I do agree with that. Trump should 100% drop out. Unfortunately, his base loves the evil shit, and he might still feel that getting elected will keep himself out of jail, so thereâs no way heâs going to.
But, yeah, the media is absolutely screwing us here. They deserve all the condemnation we can give them. We understand that weâre voting for an administration, and not just one man, but does the country as a whole realize that? I doubt it. Civics education in the U.S. is abysmal.
I also kinda cynically think that maybe if we subbed in someone with high name recognition and at least decent favorability, that the media and the Russian disinformation engine wonât have enough time to hack together a hitjob on them. I donât know, Iâm just spitballing and huffing copium here, I think. Need to keep my hopes up somehow.
Bidenâs approval rating is about 37%, which is where George H. W. Bushâs was, and he didnât get re-elected.
I wouldnât say that I particularly âapproveâ of Biden, so Iâm probably counted in the 63 percent. But Iâm still going to vote for him.
Sure, Iâd be more excited to vote for Michelle Obama or Josh Shapiro, but Iâll still vote for Joe Biden if heâs the nominee.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/06/biden-trump-race-rebecca-solnit
The press is being chicken little, and writing hundreds of articles about Biden sounding hoarse and none about the lies Trump spewed or the fascism that heâs promising.
Again, political polling is notoriously meaningless outside of exit polling.
This election the media is doing the same thing they do to make our bullshit exploitative economy seem like itâs healthy. They focus on measures that mean fuck all as if they were representative of something significant.
Itâs smoke and mirrors.
Want to make sure we donât get a fascist? Get poor people to vote. If the poor turn out to the polls, we can literally flip every single state.
Trying to talk the DNC into an absolutely bonkers gamble will not win the election. Mobilizing voters will
This is anecdotal, but the vibes Iâm getting in offline conversations make me think that his low approval rating is accurate. Thereâs a lot of âBiden is too old, and hasnât done much(which isnât entirely true), but Iâll vote against Trump.â Thatâs great and all, but I live in a deep blue city(Seattle) and, honestly, I am deeply concerned about people who are more moderate, who arenât as vehemently anti-Trump. I think the disconnect here is that we differ greatly in our faith that the Dems will turn out. They responded well in 2020 to kick Trump out, but I donât know how much that fire still burns in the voting populace. Some people respond better to carrots than sticks, and while the threat of Trump is a hell of a stick, Biden is not much of a carrot. Not to say that Biden hasnât done some good things, but I feel that the media and Russia have hammered Biden enough that I think the damage is done.
That being said, however, Iâm going to disengage here, and try to refrain from advocating that Biden step down going forward. Posting this thread was a mistake on my part, and Iâll take full responsibility for it. Anything that dampens enthusiasm for the Democratic nominee should be avoided at all costs, and by posting this thread and suggesting that Biden should be replaced, I was simply doing Russiaâs job for them, and for that, Iâm sorry. Itâs not like we have any power over the situation to begin with. The party will decide whether to stick with Biden or not, and itâs our job to help make sure they defeat the fascists.
GTFOH with this bullshit.
Itâs really a shame that the President makes every single decision on his own and handles absolutely everything by himself. It would be a better system if we had some sort of âcabinetâ of advisiors all focused on different areas of running the country. It would be more like an âadministrationâ instead of just what we have, which is one single guy who does everything and look, Biden is too old to do all that. If only there was some other way that he could have some assistanceâŚ
I suspect that most voters wonât even think about that. This is the same voterbase that likes to vote based on who theyâd rather have a beer with. Iâd rather have a more informed populace, obviously, but the powers that be keep control by encouraging political ignorance, or failing that, learned helplessness. In the U.S., people legitimately think liberalism is left wing. How many Americans are capable of actually defining socialism? I donât want to infantilize people, but weâve got to work with what we have, and what we have is a deeply propagandized population thatâs choosing apathy and despair in the specter of fascism. Joe Bidenâs approval rating is 37%. People do not like him. The media keeps hammering him because they want Trump back(Trump brings views and much of the mainstream media has been captured by billionaires). The margin of victory in the swing states last time was so slim that a few thousand staying home this time around would flip it. I would be fine with another Biden term. We could Weekend at Bernieâs him through and everything would be fine. I just have severe doubts that people would see it my way, and so I feel his electability has tanked.
I really hope Iâm wrong.
I suggest you look up presidential approval rating statistics for 2nd term races.
This is an argument for why Biden is able to lead. Speaking for myself, Iâm not so worried that Biden is unable to lead. Heâs old and obviously slowing down, but heâs got decades of experience and, as you say, a whole administrationâs worth of expertise.
Iâm worried that he is unable to win.
At this point, no one else can. Straight up. To think otherwise is fucking delusional and demonstrates a lack of knowledge of us politics and itâs populace.
Leaving this comment here and cleaning up some of this thread.
Youâre welcome to disagree with each other. Discussion is definitely encouraged. This thread of comments, however, rapidly devolved into name calling.
Itâs understandable that youâre upset with what this person is advocating when this election is so important and you disagree with their idea, but we canât have a nice space when you attack anyone who disagrees with you. A three sentence long comment calling people delusional isnât being nice. Hopping into this post and telling the poster to leave with their bullshit is not nice. You need to give others the benefit of the doubt and treat them with good faith.
Polling - released by Bidenâs campaign to try to prove his electability - shows other Democratic candidates right now performing just as well or slightly better than Biden with voters, and none of them have been running a campaign for the last year. In other words, without even trying and without the same level of name recognition, they are on par with Biden, and none of them have the baggage he does.
The double standard the media plays with the 2 candidates is mind blowing. I have two thoughts
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The media writes a bunch of articles about âBiden oldâ and social media amplifies them. Then they bring Joe on and say âLetâs put aside that you are doing a great job for a min. A lot of people question if you are able to do the job. Predict the future.â
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The other guy meanwhile says the media is the enemy of the state. Has vowed retribution against his enemies. Literally talks about having public executions. The Supreme Court he appointed rules that he is immune from law and his lawyer literally agreed with a judge that asked if he could in fact assassinate his rivals.
Bonus thought: Which candidate makes the media more money?
âAmerica fell to fascismâ will vote for Genocide Joe. đ
Honestly, I donât think this rhetoric is helpful anymore. As vile and disgusting as it is, we donât have a viable anti-genocide option. We need to pick our battles. Iâm pretty left-leaning myself, so if youâll indulge me, this is why I feel compelled to grudgingly vote for the Democratic ticket.
Biden is a garden variety conservative corporate stooge, which has basically been the best case scenario ever since Reagan killed the New Deal. The billionaires that control this country arenât going to allow an administration that pushes back on imperialism and empire. Thus, we never get a chance to elect someone whoâd actually stand up to Israel. Just look at what happened to Bernie. I voted uncommitted in the primary because I was furious about the genocide, but, electorally, thatâs about all I can truly do. The first past the post system actively punishes people who vote third party, and not voting against Trump is not an option for me. Iâm a trans woman. I do not have the luxury of ideological purity. I have to vote for whomever the Democrats put up because Trump will institute a dictatorship that could very well have me put to death. After the âSupremeâ Courtâs decision to allow immunity for presidents, I am even more convinced that the Republicans cannot ever be allowed to take power again. If the U.S. goes fully fascist, its influence will be as such that the current right wing wave in the West will be like a tiny ripple.
I hate the position weâre in. It sucks. This country has been so utterly inundated with anti-left propaganda that people think liberalism is far left. We should be organizing and radicalizing everyone we can, 100%. Iâm hoping that this late stage capitalist hellscape weâre living in will help with that. But, even then, itâs going to be a painfully slow process. We have six years olds being forced to swear that they wonât betray the country every morning at school. Few people ever seem to stop and think just how fucking weird the Pledge of Allegiance is. When people are that indoctrinated, itâll take a Herculean effort to get them to realize theyâve been lied to their whole life. That doesnât mean itâs not worth doing, but weâre not going to be able to snap our fingers, elect a president from the Green party, and everything will be all better. It doesnât work like that. Change comes from the bottom up, by changing hearts and minds. People wonât like to hear this, but we need to be patient until our efforts bear fruit.
So, we need to buy time. Failing to thwart Trumpâs dictatorship pretty much only leaves the last resort, revolution. Biden is too milquetoast to order purges. However, Trump will have no scruples cracking down on his âenemiesâ. With how open we all are on social media, it would be trivial for someone in control of the three letter agencies to find us all. If this were a normal election, Iâd be fine with people voting their conscience. I get it. Iâd love to vote for the Socialist ticket. But I have to engage with the world as it really is. I had to set aside my idealism in favor of pragmatism.
A country born by old white men which will die by old white men. Begins with a revolution to sever ties with a monarchy, ends with a coup to bring it back. We are truly coming full circle. đ¤Ą
Asked if anything could convince him that he was on track to lose to Trump and should step down, Biden responded with a smile: âIt depends on if the Lord Almighty comes down and tells me that, I might do that.â
Sir, the Lord Almighty better come down and take you back with him. Take Trump too, while heâs at it.
After that debate and all the things heâs said since, Bidenâs image is at an all-time low. As ableist and ageist as it is, people think heâs a senile old man in the late stages of cognitive decline, with no business running a government. I doubt he or his campaign are going to do what they need to do to overcome that perception, and I doubt the Democratic Party will make the right calls either. âDecades of civil serviceâ and âsomewhat better than Trumpâ etc. are not going to be enough.
