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This is the best summary I could come up with:


Senior YouTube staffers are reportedly worried that its TikTok competitor, Shorts, may eat away at its long-form content, which has for almost two decades been its primary bread and butter, according to The Financial Times.

As FT points out, YouTube’s ad revenue, though recently improved, had been on a downward year-over-year slide for three straight quarters.

YouTube is still figuring out how to reap more ad money from Shorts.

Its long-form content lets it show more ads per video, but as short-form content gradually takes over, content creators themselves are uploading fewer long videos, FT writes, citing YouTube staff fretting about internal figures.

Keeping up with that means adding features like AI summaries and NFL highlights, and even making compromises elsewhere in Google’s business to keep other industries happy and supportive of the service.

It also means investing in Shorts’ creators and incentivizing them to make exclusive content for YouTube’s service.


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311 points

Honestly, it’s the terrible content moderation policies that are going to kill YouTube, not a certain type of video.

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This Shorts issue seems to have measurable, constant and immediate effect in ad revenue and therefore platform profitability. Bad content moderation may or may not decrease engagement but in the end Google is a commercial enterprise that’s looking at the numbers at hand.

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116 points

Bingo. I don’t find shorts all that appealing (especially since I can’t cast them to a TV! Wtf, seems like core function there) but I agree, the REAL problem with YouTube is how much creators have to top toe around demonization.

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“Demonetization” is just what YouTube’s promises to advertisers look like when they affect video creators.

Money on YouTube flows from advertisers. The revenue from charging advertisers to show ads is split between YouTube/Google and the video creator. If your video is not shown with ads, then there is no revenue to split.

YouTube gives advertisers a very small control over what videos their ads are shown on. They have a few different classifications of videos, and advertisers can choose which ones they want to be seen with. Advertisers are paying for the service of YouTube putting their ads on videos — but only the videos that YouTube thinks the advertiser does want to be seen with.

If your video is fully “demonetized”, that means YouTube has decided that no advertisers want to be seen with it; or that they are not willing to take revenue from showing ads on that video. But they’re still hosting it, making it available to viewers.

Video creators’ revenue is a share of the ad income from YouTube showing the video (and accompanying ads). A “demonetized” video is one that doesn’t show any ads — so there is no revenue to split. It’s not that YouTube is taking all the revenue and leaving none to the video creator. They’re not making any, because they don’t think the advertisers would be okay with being charged to be seen alongside that video.

However, the creator of a “demonetized” video is still receiving value from YouTube. It is not free to host that video — especially if it is popular. Network bandwidth, data storage, and transcoding of video for viewers’ browsers are not free; YouTube covers the cost of these. YouTube is willing to host a lot of videos that they make zero money from, at their expense, rather than censoring those videos by taking them down.

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YouTube is willing to host a lot of videos that they make zero money from, at their expense

That’s just not true…they’re hosting it because they data-farm the living shit out of both the creator and anyone that gets tangentially close to their site. More content = more people visit = more data on these people = more money…They make a lot of money on this data, even if no ads are shown on a video, and are by no means doing it out of the goodness of their heart.

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3 points

they’re all paying the bills by hawking raid shadow legends anyways, may as well not rely on youtube monetization anyways and host elsewhere

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I’m not even sure it is bad policies. I am pretty sure that they just don’t have moderators.

I doubt anyone reads 99.9% of reports.

So you get bigotry and hate, you get insane and deadly DIYs, you get 12yo girls being creeped while posting random 5s clips from their lives.

Not to mention just the vast amount of extraordinarily low-quality content YouTube serves up. It’s amazing how bad a lot of the videos it thinks you will like are. The algorithm makes no sense.

But hey, here’s 16 different Joe Rogan clips with sigma male music in the background.

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16 points

The algorithm seems like it is optimized for profit, not for actually being a good platform.

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7 points

That should mean engagement. It serves up such bad videos that I disengage.

Once in a while I’ll realize I just spent 20, 30 minutes looking at a streak of pretty decent stuff. Rare enough to be remarkable. Usually after just 3 or 4 consecutive crap clips I’ll close it down and get back to work.

I doubt anything disengages a user faster than low-quality content. I bet it does it even faster than the authoritarian politics and bigotry YouTube seems to inexorable serve you.

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6 points

The terrible content moderation policies are what keep it alive. No one subscribes to youtube so it’s primary customers are the ad agencies. And they want content moderation

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29 points

Case in point, when youtube buried one of Caitlin Doughty’s documentaries from Ask a Mortician.

The video in question: The Forgotten Disaster of the SS Eastland. It’s 43 minutes long, both well done, and respectfully done. Her team did a good job on it then some youtube automated system buried it for “violating community guidelines”.

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1 point

Not just terrible, but incredibly hypocritical.

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129 points

I’m mostly fine with shorts, except for two things:

  1. You can’t move around in them, it’s either play or pause and repeat, which sucks (as shorts don’t have to be short…)

  2. On the homepage it doesn’t show who the short is from (which channel) without opening them

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I simply prefer TikTok for short form videos due to unique community and reasonably entertaining algorithm.

I enjoy YouTube to the point of paying for Premium but I hate that my YouTube subscriptions feed on TV is littered with shorts that I have no way of disabling other than hiding them one by one (which I do to make a point).

Suits at Google will try to shove it into everyone’s throats until they get bored and someone adds it to killedbygoogle.com so why would anyone even bother with it.

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It’s amazing how much social credit you possibly have. Xi Jinping is proud of you.

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1 point

Are you alright there mate?

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2 points

This is why I use LibreTube. It just filters all the Shorts

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2 points

I’m deep in Apple ecosystem and unfortunately this is not an option on Apple TV as far as I know.

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9 points

It’s also annoying that you can’t save them without using the hack where you change the URL.

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You also can’t adjust the volume in browser. You have to go to a normal video, change it, and then go back.

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-2 points

Just use the system audio control?

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20 points

But why do I have to do that when every other video player has a volume slider?

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22 points

You can’t move around in them, it’s either play or pause and repeat, which sucks (as shorts don’t have to be short…)

Oddly enough, this seems to be a desktop limitation. I can scrub backwards and forwards just fine on my phone.

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15 points

Hopefully desktop PC hardware will become powerful enough to gain the ability to skip around in 30 second videos someday. I think I read that they expect them to be at parity with smartphone hardware in the next decade or two.

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1 point

They don’t even need a seek bar, just support arrow keys

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4 points

You can scrub around in them. Look for the red bar on the bottom after the short starts. You can tap and drag on it and a little red circle will appear that will show briefly after you release.

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You can move around in them. Atleast on Android, there is a hidden red bar at the bottom which becomes visible if you pause the video.

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This is a problem with all of these Tik Tok clones (and even Tik Tok let’s you do it for some videos). It’d so annoying to be watching a 45 second reel but if I miss something, I have to watch the whole thing again

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I have the exact opposite problem? I can skip around just fine in shorts, but can’t in reels… Is this due to A/B testing or am I dumb?

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14 points

Perhaps it’s a little too late for YouTube to ride this trend. TikTok is even pivoting to long videos, as they know where the money is.

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Then in 10 years when some disrupting service releases “ephemeral” video clips that last <1 ms and get deleted; and YT implements it. The YT veteran staff of the future will think that is ruining YT shorts

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