cross-posted from: https://sopuli.xyz/post/15242858
Saw Louis Rossmans original video on the app and figured (and it may well have been) it would be buggy and awful at that point. Decided to gike it a try, the app has all the options I could want for watching youtube, it’s multiplatform to a much greater degree than Newpipe and it’s forks.
The reason I don’t ever expect to go back to Newpipe or Libretube is the plugins update through the app, meaning I can get bypasses to YouTubes bullshit as fast as they’re developed.
Newpipe is usually updated quickly, but in my experience forks like Tubular that include sponsorblocks often delay me from getting that update.
Overall, very good experience so far!
Stop promoting non foss software. There are plenty of foss apps
No. GrayJay is good and I’m glad I gave FUTO money for two licenses because it is worth paying for; “free” does not necessarily mean “as in dollars”.
Also, did the irony of issuing orders to strangers in the very same attempt to “defend” (and I am being generous with that word) the ideals of free and open source software, not give you the slightest pause before posting?
It isn’t free software as in it doesn’t have a license that respects the 4 freedoms. If it was under a license that granted its users the irrevocable right to run, study, modify and distribute the source code without restriction then it would be considered foss.
It’s free software as in, it’s free. You can continue mumbling your nonsense in the corner of course, the rest of us have bigger issues than whether someone we don’t actually know can use word “free” like everybody else.
People like you are the worst enemy of open source, and you really think that you’re a staunch ally. It’s really Fucking sad.
Grayjay isn’t even “open source” according to the OSI. Do your own research instead of just believing what some Youtuber says. I respect what Louis is doing from a consumer protection perspective but he really should be more transparent about licensing
The source is available. The source is open. OSI can go take a flying leap. Purity testing sycophants such as yourself are a boat anchor on forward movement (source: am an open source developer).
Yeah, I’m salty at them for diluting the term “Open Source”.
And, yes, I’m more aligned with the Free Software movement than the Open Source movement. But in practice, all Open Source software is also Free Software, as long as they’re not misusing the term “Open Source” like FUTO recently apologized for. (Though this page still says “All FUTO-funded projects are expected to be open-source or develop a plan to eventually become so.” which I think is just a holdover from before they promised to stop misusing the term “Open Source” that they haven’t caught and fixed yet.)
But still, their license is kindof shitty. And maybe it’s just a narcissism of small diffrences thing, but it feels more nefarious in some ways than just a straight-forwardly proprietary license would be.
Anyway, no chance I’ll ever use GrayJay unless they some day decide to put it under a properly FOSS license. Even if only because there’s no way I’m going to go to the trouble of side-loading it or any Android app store other than the F-Droid I’ve got on my no-Google-apps LineageOS phone now.
And just in general purposefully and maliciously misusing terms like “Open Source” and “FOSS” is a pretty transparent capitalist scumbag move. And the “apology” for doing so is hardly an apology. They spend more of the apology casting shade at FOSS than apologizing. And then they have the gall to tell people that their shitty-ass GrayJay license is some panacea of consumer freedom or privacy? It’s worse than any Open Source license. If they really wanted to address the consumer privacy and freedom isuses in tech, they’d use AGPL. But no, their “improvement” on the BSD/MIT-style licenses is “don’t make any versions without ‘pay FUTO money’ buttons and don’t charge for it.” Good fucking job, FUTO, you fixed enshittification.
Bah. Yeah. I’m pissed at FUTO.
Thanks for your post. You’re getting lots of downvotes, but I upvoted. Folks ought to know how scummy FUTO is. I don’t really blame Rossman directly so much (though, honestly, I haven’t really followed him enough to know.) I suspect he may just be kinda clueless about FOSS and got swept up in FUTO’s rhetoric (even though there’s no substance behind their rhetoric) that they’re going to fix the industry or whatever. He just got pissed at Apple about their hostility to device repair (based), but then got hoodwinked by scummy capitalist bullshit.
I don’t have any issue with Capitalism. Companies, people and ideas should complete to make them all better. However, the FUTO license is anti capitalistic as it grants GreyJay a monopoly over the software. You can not fork it and retain ownership of the code. The code is owned by them and you can’t start a completing organization from a fork. If FUTO were to make GrayJay problematic by doing something such as adding invasive telemetry and ads then you couldn’t hard fork the project.
Damn. Am I about to defend FUTO/GrayJay?
The license is a lot better than it was previously. (And by that I mean it’s less worse than a basic MIT-style FOSS license, not that it’s “good”.) Now it does allow derivative works (just not derivative works that remove the “pay FUTO” button, and it doesn’t allow selleing GrayJay or derivative works, and it requires a “prominent” notice if you’ve made changes.)
And the old version had a bit about how FUTO could change the terms at any time for no reason, which basically made it entirely useless.
You can not fork it and retain ownership of the code.
Technically, MIT-style licenses (let alone copy-left licenses) don’t either, I’m pretty sure. Though that’s more true in one sense of the GrayJay Core License than of Open Source licenses.
I use the Tubular fork as well, love it, however the dev has life things that slow down how fast fixes get merged in ☹️ in the meantime I either watch Nebula (or use Freetube on my HTPC as a backup, they tend to publish a fixed build ridiculously fast).
My fav Grayjay feature has to be “polycentric” comments on Nebula videos, pretty cool to discuss with other Nebula subscribers seeing as the official app has no social features
I respectfully disagree, grayjay is great, but in my experience it has been buggy, crashes occasionally, and does not provide an acceptable layout for foldables.
Revanced has been flawless.
I will keep greyjay installed for the inevitable day that revanced dies… but until then grayjay is not the best option for me personally.
Options are good.
Yeah. GrayJay has been my go to for almost a year now. There’s been some bugs, but they’ve gotten most of it worked out. It isn’t perfect, but it’s definitely worth using.
