Basically I started with mullvad then turned to proton but after they introduced AI and a crypto wallet I’m just looking for what peoples opinions are.

EDIT: Thank you all for your suggestions and opinions :D

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Use Mullvad, unless you absolutely require port forwarding.

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9 points

This is the best answer.

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6 points

Proton has port forwarding? Source?

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God damn that’s complicated compared to PIA

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5 points

Thank you for your opinion

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3 points

And if you need port forwarding use airvpn. Proton seems more and more sketch every day

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Or you already use Proton Mail / Drive etc and want to save a bit of money with Proton Unlimited at 9.99 EUR/USD / mo. That’s why I switched from Mullvad. I do agree that overall though Mullvad is the best in terms of trustworthiness (so far as we know anyway)

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43 points

Mullvad is currently highly trusted by the community. If you lost your trust in proton I recommend switching back to it.

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Mullvad is cheaper, and probably a bit more trusted, but Proton has port forwarding. Currently I use Mullvad. I don’t like the Mullvad’s 5 device limit on Wireguard clients though. You can only have 5 devices added to the account, no matter if just 1 or all 5 are currently connected. And after using Wireguard once, I don’t want to use OpenVPN again where wg can fully replace it.
Both support cash payments, though Proton makes me feel like they expect it for larger sums of cash:

We cannot be responsible for lost shipments, so we strongly recommend sending your payment using a service that provides a tracking number so you can track the shipment. It’s also helpful to notify us that you’re sending us cash in the mail, so we know to expect it.

While Mullvad asks you not to use registered mail nor send larger amounts of cash. I feel like the latter is implied by asking to notify them. I suppose “Hey, I am sending you 10 bucks via mail.” is not what’s expected here.

What I absolutely like is the fair pricing. It’s same price no matter how much time you buy, whether it’s 1 month, a year or two. Even their direct competitor IVPN does this crap (and so does Proton). I value that quite a bit.

So currently Mullvad is winning for me.

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Oh does the 5 device limit not apply to OpenVPN? Interesting

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It technologically can’t. With Wireguard, you need to upload each device’s public key to Mullvad, thus registering each device separately. With OpenVPN you login with username and password. Or in this case just the username.

Theoretically speaking, you could have the same private key on 2 devices that won’t be connected simultaneously though.

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Mail is extremely insecure, it’s actually really nefarious for them to recommend it. I still use Mullvad sometimes because it’s just so cheap and fast. I know it’s some kind of high level NATO spyware though. Just look at where their servers are. I mean fucking come on now.

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Just look at where their servers are.

Kind of… al around the place? What do you mean?

Also, in the mail you don’t send the account number, just a payment token. So the postman won’t be stealing your account, just your cash at most.

Vouchers are probably the safest, but I actually like sending mail, and this is basically my only opportunity to do so nowadays.

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They can just scan and open and reclose the mail they do this to everyone now I am so serious. Difficult to do at scale though so honestly I take it back, if everyone did it the mail way it could increase surveillance costs? Escalating everyone’s piracy to require forensic cracking at a federal or international level would skyrocket costa which should be a goal

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Okay let me try again. Where are their servers conspicuously NOT located?

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30 points

Isn’t mullvad better and cheaper?

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think I didn’t get it?

protonvpn is a few pennies cheaper when goin’ for 2 years and even much more when you wait for the black friday offers.

so if you can’t wait and don’t use a vpn on a daily basis, mullvad is 100% cheaper, so yes kinda.

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I wouldn’t pay for 2 years for a privacy service. Eventually you’ll loose privacy. Better to create a new account at least every 6 months.

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Mullvad is very trusted by community generally they haven’t given any reason to mistrust for now that I know of. They don’t allow port forwarding anymore though so that’s something to keep in mind if you need that.

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