PSA (?): just got this popup in Firefox when i was on an amazon product page. looked into it a bit because it seemed weird and it turns out if you click the big “yes, try it” button, you agree to mandatory binding arbitration with Fakespot and you waive your right to bring a class action lawsuit against them. this is awesome thank you so much mozilla very cool

https://queer.party/@m04/112872517189786676

So, Mozilla adds an AI review features for products you view using Firefox. Other than being very useless, it’s T&C are as anti-consumer as it possibly can be. It’s like mozilla saying directly “we don’t care about your privacy”.

305 points

I hate the anti-pattern of “Not Now”. How about “No”?

permalink
report
reply
99 points

Yeah, corporate dark patterns really don’t respect consent. When would you like to know more: Now, or Later?

permalink
report
parent
reply
26 points

Though I don’t mind the “accept, deny, ask me again later” for when something seems interesting but I don’t want to put the effort into looking into it right at the moment but don’t want to click yes without looking into it.

permalink
report
parent
reply
9 points

These should be the norm, actually.

permalink
report
parent
reply
17 points

Best I can do is accepting three options: “Yes,” “No,” and “Remind me later.”

“Not now” or “No, I don’t want this awesome feature” bullshit infuriates me.

permalink
report
parent
reply
15 points

These should be flatly illegal. No means no

permalink
report
parent
reply
8 points

We had a whole generation of people that were taught that ‘no’ means ‘maybe later’ (the whole point of the ‘no means no’ ads about daterapes), and that same generation is now running these companies. What did we expect to happen?

permalink
report
parent
reply
120 points
*

Hot take and I can guarantee this will be downvoted but I think people are putting way too much blind trust into Mozilla for this. (edit: Apparently not here, pleasantly surprised at that)

They just purchased an advertising company, they made the T&C waive your right to a class action lawsuit. They keep giving their CEO raises and laying off their workers. Mozilla is actively enshittifying but people don’t react until it’s too late because it’s a boiling frog situation.

Whether you think the feature is useful or not, Firefox is unfortunately shifting away from being a privacy-focused user-focused browser. The saving grace is that it is open source and forks can be made of it, “Firefox” itself can survive anything as long as there’s enough interest to keep it alive.

I think that Mozilla does great work, but they’ve lost sight of their goals, and are changing focus. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but this needs to be looked at objectively instead of with brand-loyalty. At the end of the day, they’re just another company with financial interests prioritized over user interests.

permalink
report
reply
72 points

Hot take

Thats not a hot take anymore. A lot of people in privacy communities are moving to forks of Firefox that disable Mozilla’s bullshit.

permalink
report
parent
reply
17 points

Which forks?

permalink
report
parent
reply
38 points
*

On desktop I’ve been using Librewolf, Mullvad Browser is good too. There’s also some forks on Android, Mull and Fennec, of those I prefer Mull

Edit: Waterfox is another fork on desktop that had some controversy when bought by an advertising company, but they’re independent again as of last year

permalink
report
parent
reply
8 points

Mullvad Browser (Tor Browser without onion network), Librewolf, Arkenfox (not a fork, just hardes regulär Firefox and disables mozilla’s telemetry)

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

Mullvad browser for me

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

You can opt out of it?

permalink
report
parent
reply
20 points
*

What irks me is that they proudly announce that these features are baked in directly in the browser. Why the FUCK would they do that? I want my browser to be a browser only. Everything else must be relegated to an optional add-on.

permalink
report
parent
reply
19 points

they made the T&C waive your right to a class action lawsuit

Fakespot did already have that before they got acquired. Which doesn’t mean it’s not worth changing, of course.

permalink
report
parent
reply
16 points

man why do people always label the most cold-ass takes in the universe as hot takes

permalink
report
parent
reply
19 points
*

Depending where you are it is. On some Mozilla communities you’re downvoted into oblivion or dogpiled on for saying this. I was pleasantly surprised here that it wasn’t

A lot of them are very fanboy heavy

permalink
report
parent
reply
15 points

until it’s too late because it’s a boiling frog situation.

That’s a common misconception. If frogs are thrown into boiling water they almost die instantly, if they are placed in a pot that’s slowly beginning to boil, they desperately try to escape after a while

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

Huh, that is a surprising new revelation.

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

They are burning money

permalink
report
parent
reply
106 points
51 points

Ohh, Good point, so the entire trust model is we are trusting Mozilla not to share data with Mozilla, because if Mozilla colludes with Mozilla then there is no privacy here at all.

permalink
report
parent
reply
85 points
*

Why not just be a web browser and leave stuff like this to browser extensions?
Oh right, you enshittified yourself.

Edit to add: Why give them money when they apparently already have too much of it from corporate inputs (most of it from Google)? I think they ask us for donations in order to retain their non-profit image, for PR purposes.

permalink
report
reply
33 points

You are not wrong. I got curious how much they receive in donations, but could not find anything about it in their financial statements.

permalink
report
parent
reply
10 points
permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

That is where I looked and could not find it, albeit only on my short commute from work.

permalink
report
parent
reply
69 points

LibreWolf

permalink
report
reply

Firefox

!firefox@lemmy.ml

Create post

A place to discuss the news and latest developments on the open-source browser Firefox

Community stats

  • 1.8K

    Monthly active users

  • 887

    Posts

  • 17K

    Comments

Community moderators