cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/38397088
come on in and spy on us. everyone is doing it.
Good to see a little competition to come to North America. These companies are raping us here.
There’s tons of competition in NA from companies located all over the world.
What China is trying to do is decimate the market by undercutting everyone long enough that they can put them out of business, which is why they’re trying to sell them way below cost. Let’s see them compete here only using the same subsidies that everyone else gets because once they accomplish their goal, the situation is going to be much worse for us than it is now.
https://electrek.co/2024/06/13/byd-bigger-ev-profits-eu-even-with-tariffs/
Quite the opposite is happening. EVs from the same make usually are sold at 50 to 100% markup outside of China. It seems more like the international market is subsidising Chinese EVs instead.
Companies in North America have not provided low cost EVs. China is doing that.
Please. US market next.
oh god! Anything but those affordable, decent enough EVs! I couldn’t handle a car that spies on me like every single other internet-capable consumer electronic does!
the real fear is that in some war scenario a country like China could flip a switch and turn millions of self driving cars into mass murder machines. they could even claim to have been hacked. the reality is that all of the self driving systems should be vetted like NASA level for security and robustness etc… but of course that would slow development and raise costs to become uncompetitive.
can Elon Musk be trusted with everyones lives? can he prove it?
Yeah maybe this would have made sense in… The 50’s?
Everyone has nukes nowadays. If even one of these EV’s is half as dangerous as a Tesla, I’m sure the army of american racists will ban them to hell and back.
And if things ever escalate, China loses their biggest golden goose, the american market, only hurting themselves in the process
I think that the real fear is that the US would loose that manufacturing capability. Cars, and the technology/factories, to produce them are a pillar for both the US economy and military. Loosing that capability would be problematic for the US.
Like every other factory they’ve already pushed to cheap Chinese labour?
The only difference now is the label says “made and designed in China” instead of the good ol patriotic “designed in California made in china”
But what have legacy manufacturers done to keep that manufacturing capability? They have a long history of refusing to even consider EVs. They finally started after startups proved the technology and market, the government invested billions into the effort, but at the first hint of problems pulled back. Now we have the us government pushing around billions of dollars of protectionist cushion, liberally sprinkled with incentives in every direction, yet legacy automakers still can’t get serious about EVs.
I just know my brother works for a legacy automaker and completely buys the company line: EVs are unproven technology that no one wants or needs, and manufacturers can’t profit from. He’s happy they spent so much of their EV manufacturing incentives on flexible product lines so they can say they’re able to make EVs while going back to their traditional products
This is your chance: free money to build out EV manufacturing, protection from competition, market incentives to help with pricing, efficiency mandate whipping up a frenzy. You have a couple years to get your shit together and here comes Chinese companies to eat your lunch…… WHY DOES IT SEEM LIKE YOURE NOT EVEN TRYING
I bought a BYD Seal here in Australia, picked it up Monday. Seems to be a great quality car and tremendous value
