People who think being a jackass is a form of activism. That’s all you really need to know.
I have seen so many thread saying how bad that instance is but every time I ask for links proving how bad they are I have never see anything worth the hate.
Can you provide some examples?
I have never see anything worth the hate.
You just have a very high tolerance for jackassery. You’ve seen plenty of evidence of hexbear hostility, i.e. the “dunk tank” that would justify not wanting to interact with hexbear users and have actively chosen to disregard it.
This is because you’re kind of a jackass. Disregarding people engaging in good faith with “just trust me bro” is exactly the kind of thing people really hate hexbear users for. Not because of illegal activity or moral failing, but because they’re assholes. While you may think this isn’t worth de-federation, unfortunately moderators aren’t some kind of legal authority, and if federating with hexbear means instance admins or community moderators need to put in triple the work to prune all the arguments and “”“shitposting”“” hexbear users love, nobody is legally or morally required to put up with it.
It’s legitimately that simple. Hexbear users are jerks and nobody wants to hang out with them, and that’s enough to ban them from any given community or instance.
Best point I’ve read made here.
I’m also probably kind if a jackass, because hex bear doesn’t bother me. Would I appreciate a civil conversation to better understand their POV? Totally. Will that happen? No. So I just don’t interact. The fierce protection of LGBTQ communities is something I appreciate however.
They’re tankies. End of story.
This is not a good argument, which is going to elicit the response he had no matter the context.
People don’t put the effort into showing receipts. And sometimes the receipts are about murders that happened over 100 years ago? This post about the tzars https://kbin.social/m/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works/t/424265/Hexbearians-frustrated-that-user-draws-the-line-at-child-murder
This whole thread is about the historical context around the summary execution of the romanovs. While the tzars absolutely needed to end, in the context of the 1910s and absolute monarchy, if the children didn’t die there would have likely been civil war trying to reinstate the line into power.
THIS https://kbin.social/m/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works/t/419779/This-Comm-is-Racist-Thought-Terminating-Nonsense
Is a much better receipt. User doesn’t understand the winnie the pooh reference, also doesn’t understand the PRCs effort to stifle discussion about TSM and the pressure that firsthand witnesses are under.
even with this guy, I don’t understand how a user being an idiot is worth defederating. If he’s going into other threads and spouting the same nonsense, sure ban him. If many people are going into other unrelated threads and injecting that kind of misinformation into conversation, that’s a pattern that makes defederating a consideration.
Is there this pattern, of other communities being disrupted in this way?
Lol, that’s because the mods of said threads already had to delete all the bullshit they posted once they “accidentally found this on all” and then descent on it like locusts (but they’re totally not brigading!!!1!)
Here’s one of their mods:
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1854795
How about flooding a meta thread that’s not on their own instance to insult people who disagree with them?
Part of the drama with that incident included hexbear folks straight up saying “I thought the whole point of federating with other instances was so that we could dunk on liberals”. Majority of folks on hexbear did not see any issues with the behavior of their members on this post.
Oh wow, there’s more hexbear comments than blahaj comments. Almost every blahaj comment has like 3-4 responses. I read a comment of someone saying that the thread looks wildly different if you see it from an instance that defederated them, and it’s so sad that it is completely different.
If you’d like examples I know some of their bad takes are starting to be posted to !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
I have been there and not seen anything worth banning an instance.
Can you give a direct link to somersaulting you think should result in de-federation?
I haven’t really had any issues with them. That said, literally the thread above this one in all top hour has a bunch of people hoping Biden gets COVID and dies…so there is that.
Meh. I have seen the same said about Musk, Trump and others.
While I don’t agree with that being said about anyone, I think it is still up to a person to decide if they want to block hexbear.
I don’t know personally, but a commenter above wrote:
I appreciate that they help stomp out fascist, racist, and anti-trans rhetoric on Lemmy.
So if there’s any truth in that, the backlash could be a bunch of whiney butthurt Nazis.
Again: can I please have a link to show why they are bad.
Otherwise it is just: Trust me Bro
I’ve been asking for links to examples, in posts about online trends, for about a decade now and nobody has ever even once risen to the challenge.
At this point any claim of the form “The internet has X happening on it” I just immediately dismiss until I see evidence. Which I never do.
It’s not the rest of the internet’s responsibility to do your research for you.
Weirdly intense and antagonistic internet communists.
Like, picture that guy you avoided conversations with when you were 19.
Because, Id wager, their userbase is primarily edgy leftist teenagers, really kind of like if 4chan was left and not right.
They’re so far to the left I don’t even consider them left anymore. They’ve fully wrapped around to be indistinguishable from the right (but not racist so much as intensely totalitarian).
Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
A social network that was formed as a fork of lemmy, before lemmy had really entered the fediverse (tho they were planning to). Both Lemmy and Hexbear had communists among their founders, but the Hexbear devs found it more… Central to their objectives. When Lemmy federated, Hexbear didn’t. It planned to initially, but ended up being pretty satisfied of being a small, yet centralized social network, basically a communist Reddit. But the idea of joining the Fediverse appeared tempting once again with the boom that happened on Mastodon when the muskrat ate the bird, and to a greater extent when Reddit changed their API policy and lost a lot of the user’s trust, causing many redditors to move to Lemmy.
Hexbear devs then worked to essentially make it a Lemmy instance, but there were always disagreements about who to federate with. They first federated with Lemmygrad and Lemmy .ml. Lemmy .world quickly blocked them. They temporarily federated with sh .itjust .works, but this wasn’t well received on either side, so this was soon undone.
Ideology wise, pretty much everyone on Hexbear is some kind of communist. However, altho the “tankie”, pro-russia type is often seen, it’s not that homogeneous (there are even anarchist channels over there), arguably less than lemmygrad.
Everything you said was accurate except the pro Russia = tankie stuff. I just want to be able to say that the kulaks deserved and such without being tied to capitalist trash like Putin…
Yeah, I didn’t mean to say that all tankies are pro current Russia, but just that there is a specific type of tankies that is, and these are often the annoying ones.
I’ve actually yet to see anybody you’d call a tankie being pro Putin or pro current Russian government. What people are pro is Russia acting as a counter to NATO and facilitating multipolarity.
They’ve beefed with a few other instances they tried federating with too such as Lemmy.ee and lemmy.blahaj.zone. Their user base tends to be a bit more abrasive than most Lemmy instances, making federation controversial even among similarly minded instances such as lemmy.blahaj.zone
Ever wanted to be talked down to by a 14 year old alt-right sociopath who pretends to support lgbt so they can stealthily insult liberals and blame western whites for how China is?
Edit; downvote more, at the end of the day you’re still a hexbear 🤢
holy fuck I laughed out loud at this outside by myself at ten to 1am … I didnt know what hexbear was, soooo, I reported a post for saying that anyone who ever supports a democratic candidate in america needs to be hit by a truck, and that violence needs to befall them, so the mod I reported it to posted my username and announced I had reported it in a comment to that post. people then piled on saying how I was a hypocrite and deserved violence brought against me, because violence has been done by cops agains homeless and trans people. also, that all I care about is getting brunch
These accusations specifically are always so wild from you libs. Blue anon through and through.
They’ve decided a radically inclusive, three-year-old community of lefties who were here well before there was any serious activity on Lemmy are secret fascists who only pretend to be heavily LGBT for laughs. How are you supposed to respond to that? It’s hugely insulting and absurd on its face.
We’ve never “pretended to support lgbt”, why would we? What would be the point of a load of alt right channers roleplaying as queer communists for years on an incredibly niche social media in the hope that eventually redditors would come to the site? And even supposing we did, and we were all just alt right types, if we’d spent years doing reading groups of queer theory together and kicking out transphobes and creating the most queer friendly space on lemmy just as an incredibly long extended bit then would the supposed communists we’re impersonating even take issue with that?
Like just use some critical thinking, at this point almost half of the sites users are trans and most of the rest are queer, most new users cite our radical opposition to queerphobia as their reason for joining, what evidence is there that we lie about being queer friendly? Like just check out !traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns@hexbear.net or !anti_cishet_aktion@hexbear.net or !transenby_liberation@hexbear.net and tell me in good faith that all these people have been lying for years about being queer
According to some weird red-brown alliance “patriotic socialists,” “maga communists,” or whatever they’re calling themselves now (The first one was probably way too on the nose). We’re not them though. We even immediately drove one of the main figures behind that cryptofash bullshit out, and now they’re just a semi-regular feature in the dunk tank.
/Edit - May be confusing the drumming out with another far less edgy community and/or the r/CTH days. Folks like that are prolific about trying to wedge their way in. Latter point there still stands though.
Equating fascism with communism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
20 percent of hexbears user base is trans. I dont know why liberals feel so comfortable misgendering all of them when they say shit like this.
Also, because you called them alt right, equating them with the alt right: https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
Literally claiming trans people aren’t actually trans and are just faking it as part of some conspiracy is misgendering.
You know how you can misgender trans people by claiming that they’re faking being trans right? That’s what it comes down to when they claim we aren’t supportive of lgbt people/faking being lgbt.
Do you want to see their genitals or what? This happened way before the exodus and federation.
I’m a trans hexbear user, are you going to accuse me of faking?
A lemmy instance full of trolls and people celebrating chinese and russian fascism in the name of socialism
i once read a thread where they were saying to defederate from everyone. then why federate in the first place
Their instance, I gather, is set to NOT federate with anyone by default, and their admins need to manually add other instances to their federation. Most instances are set to federate by default, so they need to un-federate with another instance here and there.
Some whine that they did not want federation in the first place and the mods did it without their consent. Slightly ironic considering they do not like democracy (although they claim you can have democracy without voting…somehow).
Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
China isn’t fascist, it is an capitalist/socialist mixed industrial economy with a ruling socialist party. Russia is literally just another oligarchy with opposed interests to US Oligarchy, they don’t have the important base economic markers characteristic of fascism and yes, the article opposes equating fascists and communists.
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thanks for sharing. Quite an interesting read.
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I don‘t think the linked text supports your argument at all. Calling the chinese fascists in light of the way they treat their citizens in general and the genocide against the Uyghurs especially is not at all comparable to eastern European nations revering people that murdered yews.
No offense but you missed the point. The most extreme claim from a german christian fascist was that China has 1 million people in reducation camps.That is not equivalent to the intentional extermination of 11 million people, before we count the 19 million soviet civilians who died during the german invasion outside the concentration camps.
Jewish people arent the only people who ever were victim to fascism… To say china commits a holocaust is holocause trivialization. To say it is a fascist country is not.
To say it is a fascist country is making fascism look better then it is. Fascism doesn’t have 95 percent of the population approving of the government. Fascism doesn’t exempt minorities from the one child policy. Fascism doesn’t end extreme poverty in a country of 1.4 billion people. Fascism doesn’t lead to trans youth Healthcare clinics sprouting up in major cities.
