Taleb dunking on IQ “research” at length. Technically a seriouspost I guess.

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This is good:

Take the sequence {1,2,3,4,x}. What should x be? Only someone who is clueless about induction would answer 5 as if it were the only answer (see Goodman’s problem in a philosophy textbook or ask your closest Fat Tony) [Note: We can also apply here Wittgenstein’s rule-following problem, which states that any of an infinite number of functions is compatible with any finite sequence. Source: Paul Bogossian]. Not only clueless, but obedient enough to want to think in a certain way.

Also this:

If, as psychologists show, MDs and academics tend to have a higher “IQ” that is slightly informative (higher, but on a noisy average), it is largely because to get into schools you need to score on a test similar to “IQ”. The mere presence of such a filter increases the visible mean and lower the visible variance. Probability and statistics confuse fools.

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If someone came up w/a numerical“Well Being Quotient” WBQ or “Sleep Quotient”, SQ, trying to mimic temperature or a physical quantity, you’d find it absurd. But put enough academics w/physics envy and race hatred on it and it will become an official measure.

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Unlucky 10000: There is an EQ, or emotional quotient, and I was given an EQ test in high school (like age 17-18, don’t remember exactly). Fortunately, it was just done for fun by a lone teacher, but I could see it becoming popular in a future school system.

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This shit is just as bad, frankly. The quest to quantify and then rank All The Things is inherently dangerous.

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Testing EQ would probably be opposed as “woke” by conservative parents in the school district.

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Nah, they’re okay with it because it reinforces their belief that a person is either high-empathy or low-empathy, with higher EQ being better. In general, conservatives love standardized tests and grades, because it grants the appearance of merit, which is essential for meritocracy.

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Smart people talk about ideas or hobbies or whatever it is they’re focused on.

Dumb people talk about their IQ and how it means whatever half baked conclusions they decide to jump to.

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I’ll go one further: “intelligence” as conceived by “IQ” is a mostly meaningless concept and the word, when used in everyday English, mostly just means “agrees with me”

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Side note, I know Taleb is widely appreciated, but man this is some badly written stuff. Is all his stuff like this? I realize blog post != book, but c’mon, some pride in craftmanship is in order.

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Yeah, he needs an editor. But the relentless dunking on IQiots is worth the verbiage imo.

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yes, way too much of it is. Taleb is extremely smart, but nobody is as smart as Taleb thinks he is.

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High-end stats is kind of Taleb’s thing, so he gets to be as insufferable as he likes dunking on IQiots imo.

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For anyone who hasn’t watched it this video is an excellent breakdown of the racist history of both The Bell Curve and of IQ tests.

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Hi, could you perhaps elaborate a bit on the racist history of the bell curve? I’m well aware of the racist history of IQ, but I don’t even have an inkling of what that’s referring to in the context of the bell curve. It’s just the graph of a normal distribution, is this referring to some weird application of it to some racist shit?

PS: I know you’ve attached a video with info on it and me asking might be kinda dumb. However, I saw it’s 2+hrs and I don’t have the time to watch it right now but I’m still interested.

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I feel that my comment was a little ambiguous.

The Bell Curve mentioned isn’t the graph distribution, but rather the book by the same name that uses misrepresented data from IQ tests to push the idea that there is a genetic factor that makes black people inherently less intelligent than anyone else.

Sorry for any misunderstandings.

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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it’s amusing debate.

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