I know I’ve expressed dislike for the guy in the past, but seriously? I thought for even something like this, he would at least have a good take on it.
Despite his best efforts to shit upon anyone who even lightly attempts to interact with him (his best and worst trait), his “takes” are very often correct. People might not like specific phrasing and sort of “hedging” around his opinions of certain nations and/or leaders, but if you focus on his core statements, he agrees with most people who frequent lemmygrad/hexbear.
He’s not even saying Madura staying is good or bad, btw. He’s just saying that as far as he can tell, and from videos and such he’s seen from people in Venezuela, the election was rigged. His point (this is me translating from Asshole to English) is: “who cares? It makes sense that given Madura’s mistakes, which cannot be blamed solely on the US, people who aren’t all that engaged in the political process want a different guy. Any guy. Even voting for right wingers.” Which makes sense if you apply that logic to other nations where voters will vote to punish leaders during times of hardship even if the resulting change of government worsens things.
That said, I don’t know dick about Venezuela and will be withholding much opinion besides “always be extremely skeptical of US media and state department- but do not totally discount them. They only lie most of the time. Sometimes if truth is more effective they’ll tell the truth.” Hopefully time will reveal, with proof, the full situation.
the election was rigged.
What did he mean by rigged? Was it that people didn’t actually vote for maduro or was it just that maduro had an advantage?
I could probably rewatch it, and perhaps he wrote more on Twitter/his YT channel little blog area (whatever it’s called), but his evidence seemed to be, imo, circumstantial. Sort of like “normally this thing happens” (release of results and a tracking of how votes happened to my understanding) “it did not happen this time. That is weird and suspicious. Combined with Madura’s failures (in BE’s opinion: I really don’t know enough to hold much opinion), it seems likely he would lose and the hiding of the results suggests wrongdoing.”
He also mentioned some state suppression “worse than” the disappearances under the Argentinian dictatorship. That doesn’t seem like a statement he would make lightly based on his past videos/comments regarding the right wing crimes in Argentina.
So, if he’s exaggerating or just lying… it’ll be disappointing. I know people hate his abrasive personality (sort of by design by him to keep people away), but I do find his mainline videos interesting. Mostly just historical stuff about places I haven’t read much about or debunking some popular liberal stuff.
It’s the 2014 Crimean referendum all over again. Liberals cry about how there’s no way 97% of the votes would support integration into Russia. Yeah, there was probably some voter fraud going on and yeah, the presence of Russian troops would push people there to vote for integration. And what of it? The “real” result is probably something closer to at least 60% based on past polling and assuming the Russian and Belarusian population would vote to integrate, which is more than enough for the referendum to pass. 60% vs 97% literally means nothing because the referendum just required 50% + 1 vote.
It’s the same exact deal with the election except Maduro didn’t even need a majority. He just needed a plurality. So, the real argument is not whether he committed voter fraud, but whether he committed voter fraud to the point where he turned a minority into a plurality. And I can find no compelling reason to say that he did.
badempanada is annoying but some of the stuff he brought up is legitimately suspicious. This election was very likely rigged
Having said that, I don’t really care if maduro rigged the election. Election rigging can be perfectly fine in some cases and this might be one of those
Not gonna watch the video because I can’t stand this kind of youtuber. What points did he bring up? Everything I’ve seen just points the allegations from the far right to be bunk and the only evidence they have is from a firm that is definitely a State Dep cutout.
stuff like pre-election polling showing clear opposition victory. And government still refusing to release raw vote counts, which seems to be highly irregular
The polls that gave the election to Gonzalez were from Edison which is a State Dept cutout, I don’t know why they haven’t released the vote counts yet but I’m sure it will all come about eventually. Ultimately, they don’t owe the US anything of course, and it’s not like the election was close either.
Started watching but didn’t finish it because at like 3 minutes he outright says “I’m not going to cite anything because the people who support Maduro wouldn’t believe any sources anyway”. So nothing. He claims that “if you saw the videos venezuelans are being sent from family still in venezuela” you would agree with them. Which, okay, maybe post one then?
“All streamers should be shot.” - Bademp
