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This is the best summary I could come up with:


First up, instead of the usual Google gubbins, replete with the adtech giant’s commercial trackers, /e/OS users will find a set of native open source apps and services Murena has developed to replace all that.

Murena also bakes a set of “advanced” private browsing features into the OS, including a tracker blocker; a location faking option; and the ability to hide your IP address.

On the flip side, when all the switches are set to off each one displays a one-word warning — either “Vulnerable” or “Exposed” — giving users a visible nudge to think about how their online activity might be compromising their privacy.

And this tension between locking everything down (to achieve perfect privacy) and opening select hatches (to boost utility) remains the core confounder for such an ambitious against-the-mainstream-grain tech endeavour.

The wider question is how much highly motivated demand there is to put in the small amount of extra effort required (and possibly also shell out some additional cost) to tread an alternative, less feature-rich path — if, at the end of the day, all you get for your effect is a product that won’t look or feel especially thrilling.

So its conviction of where the mobile puck is headed must be that there’s a growing pool of mainstream Android users with an appetite for iOS-style ‘low friction’ privacy delivered outside Apple’s walled ecosystem.


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Good bot!

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Probably not the first degoogled android, but maybe one of the first ‘just works’ degoogled phones Edit: yep I misread but still true

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At no point does the article claim it is “the first degoogled android”.

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I see the confusion by op. It says privacy-first, as in privacy is its core function not a first in its class. I think they just misread the title.

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Lineage OS by default comes DeGoogled and works just fine. Both phones I ran it on had absolutely no issues. It must be more niche than I thought though because no one here is talking about it.

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The supported list of devices is a who’s who of 2015. Finding anything more modern is reminiscent of digging through XDA back in the modding day.

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I have some deeply tech unsavvy people in my life who will fuck up their phone trying to “uninstall Google” - and thus disable all their keyboards - that would probably benefit from a “just works” degoogled phone. I love GrapheneOS, but it assumes the end user is the sort of dork that is capable of installing it in the first place - people who struggle with tech deserve privacy too.

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We really need a compelling alternative to the Play Store, both as users and developers.

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In what ways do the existing alternatives fall short of compelling?

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Can you elaborate on “limited”? Surely that is what we want. One of the problems with the Play store is certainly not that it does not have a wide enough selection, but rather that it is full of harmful, hostile, dangerous, exploitive software. Any solution to that problem is necessarily going to limit (or one might prefer to say curate) its contents. That is exactly why I use F-Droid. It is limited to software that is not trying to hurt me.

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Can I get my banking app on F-Droid? How about my home security system app? How about a dozen other apps that I want or need, and can’t be replaced by loading a website in Firefox?

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This is entirely on the companies. There’s no technical reason or requirement for this happening.

Fdroid works great and is the most likely thing to be adopted, in my opinion. It’s easy enough for anyone to spin up their own fdroid server and distribute their own app.

If you’re wanting to use a new store, you’re going to have to wade through the growing pains of adoption. It’s just a fact of life.

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There are in fact banking apps and home security apps on F-Droid.

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Wait, I assume if you install a banking app through Aurora it still works? Totally fair if that doesn’t work for your needs (you kinda need a google account, even if a blank one, to have it work right now) but I assume installing apps through it doesn’t limit them or make them less functional for having been installed through Aurora?

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F-Droid

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Yeah, I have it, but I can’t install 3/4 of the apps I use on a daily basis from there.

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Wouldn’t that be the same for any other alternative? That’s what a monopoly does.

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It means 3/4 of the apps you use aren’t free software which is not an issue with F-Droid.

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The security model or lack of same concerns me.

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That’s valid. In theory, because you’re downloading open source on there, you could audit the apps you download, but don’t know anyone who does that unless it’s their job.

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I would prefer to see a wider embrace of PWAs.

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This is what really, really pissed me off about the iPhone. When it launched and they gave it a desktop-class web browser engine and told people they were going all-in in PWAs (though I don’t think the term existed at the time). Then v2 came out and they went sike! native apps, must be developed on our PCs, must be distributed by us, you must pay us to be allowed to develop, we take a cut of your income, and we’re going to cripple the PWA engine to make universal, open apps all but unusable.

Dicks.

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Can PWAs perform just like native apps when it comes to smoothness and optimization?

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Is there any way of “installing” PWAs to the app drawer rather than been limited to a shortcut on the home screen?

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Depends on the PWA, if they have the manifest setup properly it should give the option by itself and even the add to desktop button should change to install the app, but very few sites support it (among the ones I use)

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I’d probably agree if I didn’t work as an Android developer. :-)

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You can build webapps in kotlin :)

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Aurora store worked well but google got their way recently

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It still works, you just need to search for things in the browser then open the links with Aurora

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I wish someone would make a companion app that handles this automatically

I’d love to do it but I have no knowledge about kotlin. However, I’m still down if someone has a solid plan

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Accrescent is in early alpha, but it looks like it’s on its way to be a great, modern app store.

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checked it out and it needs a lot of time to become a proper competitor

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The only hope here is that EU will force google to allow other stores.

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Since when are third party apps disallowed?

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We’re talking about stock android having 3rd party app store with permissions to install apps in the background. Yes, you can install f-droid but on a stock android it can’t update apps automatically. It’s not an alternative for normal users. And as long as 3rd party stores are not used by normal users app developers will not care about publishing apps there. What needs to happen is that EU needs to force google (and apple) to allow alternative stores, some heavy weights have to support it and developers need to start publishing apps there.

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Have been using it for a while on my Fairphone 3, just works nicely :)

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Man they really want to try and sell iPhones here.

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