This is no honeymoon, the American “left” will never recover from the Harris/Walz combo; every major base of support (demographic/economic) is covered; Black woman with a jovial heartlandish white man standing behind her is the universal password for the legendary “competent American fascism” software update leftists have been prophesying.
They got this shit locked for at least eight years, Walz is suburbanite catnip and Harris has the identity libs eating out her hands, along with big tech, wallstreet, and the zionist lobby who are now methodically eliminating the last holdouts of the post-2016 nascent left movement
There is no credible avenue of leverage here, the libs can effectively respond to any leftist utterance with accusations of racism, misogyny, and purity testing and it will stick. Already we have most liberals being one rhetorical step away from defending Walz unleashing the National Guard on BLM protesters
There is no point in engaging with domestic national politics at this current time, the ball is firmly overseas
The only series of events that can undermine this new DNC paradigm is Israel blowing up the world and the US mobilizing to save it. Not even the collapse of Ukraine can dent it now, since that was “Biden’s project”
Hate to say it, but the DNC won a firm generational victory
Serious question who is Tim Walz and why he’s all over my feed in grad.
What happens when there’s no more Trump to hold the Popular Front Against together? Won’t the thing just start to collapse under the weight of its own contradictions, as the Democrats now lack a bonapartist figure like Trump to unite them through negative partisanship?
On the other hand, maybe they’ll just get away scamming subsequent generations by inventing a new to rally against. Would that stick given the conditions. The base of the party won’t be the same MSNBC TV addicts who live comfortably enough to indulge such a narrative without thinking.
“competent American fascism”
This was what the Biden-Harris ticket was touted as and, well, the competence is severely lacking.
Baseless doomerism imo
last holdouts of the post-2016 nascent left movement
I can see why you’d view it that way what with Bush and Bowman’s losses, but one losing season in one electoral arena doesn’t mean that people will go back to being fine with $50k surgeries. This wasn’t on the level of, say, the coordinated Nixon era COINTELPRO campaigns that snuffed out the New Left. There’s still a lot of local and state-level DSA wins, and the orgs that didn’t burn themselves out after the initial post-bernie/covid/blm surge in activity are as strong as ever afaik
There’s still a lot of local and state-level DSA wins
Two of the five federal DSA endorsees for Federal office are now gone and there’s what only 50+ DSA state officials spread out over fifty states, for a country this size that is the definition of a holdout
Come on don’t hand me copium and then call me a doomer for storing it in the cope closet
Lol, sorry but I find it funny we were all “meh” over Trump winning but Harris is making us doom.
Nobody has won anything here, the left would be in just as shit of a position of Trump wins, or Biden has won.
Yeah, none of these people winning is doom or bloom. Its going to be difficult for any president in the foreseeable future to ever be popular, and not have shiy approval ratings, because peoples lives are going to get worse regardless
Honestly I think more people here then we care to admit bought into the Trump accelerationism argument, or at least found Libs so annoying and condescending, that they actually were EXCITED for Trump to win and are now let down that the DNC suddenly seemed to become way more competent.
Here’s the thing, if Trump wins and turns out to be as bad as Dems said (as unlikely as that is), I don’t think that’s gonna do the left any favors, we’re small enough a week long fascist purge could just wipe us out and then Libs would just be left cowering. If Trump was just about as bad as he was his first term (much more likely), still, would not be any good for the left, because we already saw what happened the first time, all the baby leftists and progressives got spooked into becoming DNC simps to make the scary Cheetos go away so they could get back to brunch.
Heck, I still think it’s unlikely, but I’d say it’s slightly more possible things getting shittier under the Dems would be better for the left. People couldn’t claim the incremental reforms are working anymore.
I’d say it’s slightly more possible things getting shittier under the Dems would be better for the left. People couldn’t claim the incremental reforms are working anymore.
I said in 2020 that Bidenand not Trump was the accelerationist candidate. I think Harris is too. A succession of oneterm presidents to show how pointless electoralism is.
My point is just, their are no “generational” victories here.
Heck, I still think it’s unlikely, but I’d say it’s slightly more possible things getting shittier under the Dems would be better for the left. People couldn’t claim the incremental reforms are working anymore.
Is that not exactly what they’ve been doing during the entire Biden admin? Reminder that they sociologically ended an ongoing pandemic and most Leftists went along with it.
I really hate it when people make sweeping optimistic claims one way or the other about one candidate or party leading to “shittier” outcomes. It’s so vague as to be virtually un-contestable
In my view, the work that needs doing is the same in either scenario, but what changes is the level of disillusionment toward leftist radicalization. I think there’s validity to how contented people will end up feeling under harris/walz, but I don’t necessarily think that’s a bad thing. I get nervous when people get excited about the ‘worse’ candidate because generally I don’t think fast and hot radicalizing fires are sustainable. I don’t really have a historical example for this, I just feel like only a handful of states have made the socialist transition successfully and they were all in places where industrialization had yet to really raise living standards
I think the path for a successful US socialist/communist movement is much longer and involves the slow and steady disillusionment that comes from the realization that the system is broken even inder the best of leadership. I just don’t think that happens in a sudden and violent reactionary uprising - best case I think liberalism returns more fascistic than ever.
I’m not doomery at all about walz signing on. I think it’ll give us opportunity to further radicalize socdems and left leaning libs.
