Polls don’t mean shit. Vote. Write in your fucking grandma for all I care but vote, and bring your friends. Make a party of it. Or sign up for mail in ballot if you still can, and tell your friends, family, strangers in the grocery line, coworkers, scream into the black void. VOTE.
Uh don’t commit voter fraud wtf
Edit oh you probably mean grandma for president. I’m in
Illinois just mails me a ballot before every election. Super convenient, it’s a shame more states don’t do it.
Imagine my shock of the voting process when moving from Texas to Oregon. From pulling teeth to vote to getting it delivered on a silver platter. It feels so unconstitutional down there.
I still remember all the polls saying Hillary was gonna win and how confident the Dems got.
I’ve asked this before, what does Lemmy have against polling? You guys know that people aren’t using polls as a substitute for voting, right?
Arguably the first time Trump got elected the polls saying he couldn’t win played a large part in that. People felt safe not voting in protest of Hillary because “there’s no way Trump can win anyway.”
The polls were generally within the margins of error…. Dems need at least 5% more than repubs to win electoral college. The polls were not that far off, they were within the margins of error
Hillary got a little too cocky and assumed it was her birthright or whatever weird shit that was
I cannot speak for the whole of Lemmy, but anything but exit polls tend to have multiple issues. The way that they’re used in popular media tends to fuel horse race politics.
Here’s the Pew Research Center, likely the largest polling organization in the US outside of the US Census. https://www.pewresearch.org/methods/2023/04/19/how-public-polling-has-changed-in-the-21st-century/
Here’s how they can fuel partisanship when that bias is not taken into account by the media https://phys.org/news/2020-10-political-scientist-negative-partisanship-voters.html
Here’s what I mean when I say horse race politics. https://journalistsresource.org/politics-and-government/horse-race-reporting-election/
But confusingly, Trump has continued to send Vance out to campaign events all week, while the Republican presidential nominee has remained largely out of the public eye. Given Vance’s low appeal, it’s unclear how this strategy helps the campaign.
Trump is going to blame Vance for the failure of his campaign, calling it now. He’ll have the usual shit about dems as well, but he’s going to scapegoat vance and throw him under the bus just like he’s done with literally everyone else before him.
He’s a low energy guy. Low energy. I heard some rumors about couches and JD. Nasty rumors. Rumors are sometimes true.
After trying to have his last Veep hung, I’m not really sure why anybody would think it would go any different for them. I guess he found another thoroughbred narcissist to join him this time. “It couldn’t possibly happen to me.”
The thing that almost got Pence killed was having a tiny shred of respect for his responsibilities. That’s not a problem for someone who’s completely self-serving or all in for Trump.
I don’t quite understand this reasoning, though, since he would never acknowledge losing anyway and his freedom may rely on winning this election.
That didn’t happen. And if it did, it wasn’t that bad. And if it was, that’s not a big deal. And if it is, that’s not my fault. <----- And if it was, I didn’t mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
That’s why. He’ll jump to number six after he loses, saying the GOP didn’t support him enough and they deserved to lose.
If they get to a point where they know they cannot win the race, they will shift tactics and it will no longer be about the election, but about the peaceful transfer of power in January. Biden himself came out and said it yesterday, I think there is a real, genuine concern of Trump and his base “flipping the board” so to speak.
But Trumps only reason for president is to dismiss the federal charges against him.
That’s just the tip of the iceberg. Trump wants another stab at the Prez because he wants to settle scores. This wouldn’t just be an attempt at a self-pardon. He fully intended to unleash his DOJ and law enforcement on the political opposition.
trump knows that winning by votes is off the table. he doesn’t care. votes and vice presidents don’t matter when your plan is to take over by force
He’s going to find that a tall order when he’s not an elected official this time.
his muppets in congress, state legislatures, and trailer parks will be doing everything for him. like before, the only thing trump will do is shout “election fraud” every 5 seconds
I don’t think it will work. Governors certify the votes, and every swing state except Georgia has a Dem governor. And the governor of Georgia hates Trump.
It’s getting really hard to claim fraud the more Republicans that are coming out against him. If he loses the popular vote by 10-20 percent, that is a real big percent to claim was fraud. But then again if he loses the popular vote by 10-20 percent and he gets the courts to overturn the election there are going to be some riots to get us to abolish the electoral college bullshit.
Look, I hear what you’re saying. I’m disgusted by the way Trump faced almost no repercussions for January 6th with so much damning evidence against him.
Last time he literally tried to have his own VP killed by a mob working under his direction while he sat and watched Fox News and refused to respond to the Capitol being attacked.
Even if he tries that again, Biden will call out the National Guard immediately, and I imagine that they will be prepared for a repeat attack this coming January anyway.
Things will not go down the same way again.
Granted.
But where is their intelligence, counter-intelligence, surveillance, counter-surveillance, 5 eyes, the biggest military-industrial complex, organization, planning, infrastructure, communications, and the thousands of other advantages that the current President and -elect have at their fingertips?
Not downplaying the threat or likelihood, but if it happens, there’s 0% possibility of them succeeding at anything short of mass suicide.
Who gives a shit? He’s not an elected official. And even when he was president and attempted the coup, they weren’t successful because of how fucking stupid they are. We have the military on our side this time.
Looks like people are ok with an old racist rapist with dementia, but fucking a couch is where the line is drawn.
It’s not just that. Democrats finally found a way to message “these people do not deserve the benefit of rational debate; they deserve ridicule”.
…that’s where I draw the line!
Dan Quayle must be happy to pass that “worst VP ever” torch on to someone else.
i miss the days when the fuckup someone is remembered for was misspelling potato
Putting an e on the end of potato basically ended his political career and now Trump supporters shout “covfefe” because they think it’s somehow smart. I think about that a lot.
Or the fact that people largely see the photo that Dukakis took in a tank as the moment HW Bush won the 88 election - compared to Trump’s photo op in a Fire Truck…
Worst is subjective. I’d argue that Cheney’s support of blood for oil and Halliburton rebuild scheme was far worse than anything Quayle did.
Yeah, same thought. Cheney was the worst because he was smart, competent, and evil. That beats incompetent.
Simpler times. He gave us these nuggets of wisdom:
- “You take the UNCF model that what a waste it is to lose one’s mind or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is”
- “The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation’s history. … No, not our nation’s, but in World War II. I mean, we all lived in this century. I didn’t live in this century, but in this century’s history”
- “I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future”
- “I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy, but that could change”
- “potatoe” (when trying to “correct” a 12-yr old’s spelling of “potato”)
At least Dan Quayle convinced Pence not to play ball with Trump’s schemes.
