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It seems to me that the insects from Insect Plague are a magical effect and not creatures that can be defeated or altered.

Furthermore, even if they were actual locusts as per the spell, they would be unwilling to turn into elephants and plummet to their deaths.

So. There is an insect swarm 200’ above the BBEG’s head and the druid is trying to cast an 8th level spell with no legitimate targets.

Paladin, you’re up.

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I mean the spell says it conjures locusts. I don’t see any reason to think otherwise.

The second bit is more interesting since locusts almost certainly aren’t capable of understanding or consenting to a spell effect and don’t know they would die if they participated. But I would rule all creatures that can’t understand enough to consent automatically reject such magic.

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There’s nothing in the verbiage that lets you fight off the insects in any way. Fireball it? There’s still locusts everywhere. Didn’t even thin out the cloud.

Maybe if a summoned swarm of insects had mass charm or mass suggestion cast on it to cause the insects to obey, I’d allow that although it clearly bends the rules even at that point.

Animal Shapes, as another pointed out, has a range of 30 ft, so either the elephants can’t fall as far or more shenanigans need to be added. (Distant Spell, if it can be obtained, still only makes that 60 ft.)

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26 points

And Animal Shapes has a range of 30 ft

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Buzzkill DM: Locusts, even under the loose control of a druid, are not intelligent enough to be “willing” to be transformed, so they can’t be targeted by animal shapes, rules as written.

Better DM: That’s cool as hell. Do it.

Best DM: I’ll allow it, but you better start watching the skies from here on out. If you can do it, then the enemy can too.

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Pedantic DM: Okay, you’ve successfully turned all the “inects” into elephants. All zero of them, because “inects” and “insects” aren’t the same thing.

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@kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world rule of cool beats rules

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26 points

Lol just have the elephants roll initiative. They will attack everyone. Mass chaos.

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6 points

Well, the ones that survive the fall damage, anyway.

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7 points

Thinking quickly, the BBEG casts Berserker and Shield Bubble as AoE spells in the sky above him.

While he does suffer considerable damage once they all hit the ground, the enraged elephants do not. Now the battlefield has hundreds of larger-than-life bucky balls rolling in every direction.

Each player must flip a coin before every turn to determine if they successfully dodged the latest pachydermian steamroller barreling towards them with reckless abandon.

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3 points

I like it.

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2 points

I wouldn’t make enemies do the same trick. Rather, I’d look for other cool tricks for the enemies to pull on the players.

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85 points

“Due to the close proximity of the insects to each other the whole swarm explodes into a mist of blood and parts of elefant carcasses raining down all over the battlefield. Time for everyone to roll…”

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You can’t roll a reflex save against elephant matter coming at you at the speed of light.

Why the speed of light? Because the amount of pressure from compressing the elephants into that small area is the energy of a small nuke.

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4 points

I mean, you can roll a reflex save against a fireball that you’re at the center of, so reflex saves just don’t make sense.

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7 points

Closer to the speed of sound than the speed of light. But still a dang quick wave of blood coming at you!

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30 points

Or they are forced apart and cover such a large area they fall on everyone

Elephants fall everyone dies

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1 point

Well played, sir / madam

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3 points

That’s like a mass driver event.

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They’re probably all much closer together than an elephant length right? So them all turning into elephants would cause the size of the swarm to instantly and violently expand, possibly ejecting some of the outer ones at great speed and endangering everyone within a considerable distance.

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So you’re saying it’s a pressurized pachyderm propulsor? An elephant ejecting explosion? A hephalump hurling horde? I like it, and I definitely like the potential for kinetic chaos.

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4 points

It’s a little more violent than that. It’s a small nuke going off.

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