cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/3466450
More a case of “confidently lying”
Imagine posting this drivel on the Internet and you’re not even getting any money for making such a fool of yourself in public
¥0.50 per post, comrade. Payment by weixin every Sunday and bonus ¥100 if post appears on Western wall street journal or bbc
If anything doesn’t that indicate that it’s not as likely, what with pedophiles, nazis, and what have you being let onto Twitter again in the name of “free speech?”
I used to lurk on r/AskRussia, and in the run up to the invasion most of the Russians there (who may or may not be representative of Russians in general, I dunno) were confidently saying that there was no way Russia was going to invade Ukraine, it was unthinkable they’d do that to their brothers and neighbours, and it was just Western propaganda. When the invasion happened they were in complete shock, you could tell that many of them felt completely ashamed of their government, at the lies, and that they’d believed them.
We all need to remember online spaces like reddit generally lean younger and more liberal. We never really get a holistic view of any situation. Just as people on reddit would say “we didn’t want trump” and the response was “clearly over half of you did” from europeans, this is another example of how we have to realize we are in our own little bubble in these online communities.
That’s somewhat debatable, though, considering Trump won by electoral votes but lost the popular vote by about 2%. The percentage of votes cast by eligible voters was also only something like 57-60%, so it’s more like 27.5% of eligible voters directly voted for Trump (if I calculated that correctly).
However, most Americans worship the document that allows the loser of the popular vote to win the election regardless as if it was a holy writ.
Except at the time it was a shock to most people. The consensus before the invasion was that Russia was just posturing. But then they went for it.
A surprise to everyone except anybody who listened to American intelligence agencies who were broadcasting (very loudly I might add) exactly when and how it would happen.
It just demonstrates how little a lot of the world trusts the American government and it’s agencies.
Sorry I responded to the wrong person!
This article from Jun. 2022 states Ukraine hoped they could descalte with sanctions: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/11/biden-zelensky-russia-invasion-warnings-putin/
This article from Aug. 2022 states Ukraine knew it was going to happen but they down played it to prevent a financial crisis: https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-reveals-why-he-didnt-warn-his-citizens-russian-invasion-1734268
I’m not sure if both are versions of the truth, where they were hoping to descalte and prevent a financial crisis. I’m sure either way they were hoping it wouldn’t happen.
This tweet was cottage cheese when it was posted.
Russians have a slur specifically for Ukrainians. They couldn’t even tell half of the countries in Europe. But they’ll go out of their way to go after Ukraine.
I’m Ukrainian myself and know Russian and I don’t know of any slur. TIL, I guess
Edit: *didn’t. I have since been informed
Actually the first time I heard that. Then again, I live in Germany and haven’t been exposed to cursing too much. Damn.
When will tankies learn that there’s no brotherhood amongst facsists… It’s like “Thanks for killing the dissenters, now back in the salt mines!”
At the same time that they always learn, when the leopards are feasting on their faces. Sometimes, not even then, honestly.
They call them “Pickmes”, but personally I prefer the term “Ernst Rohms”, it puts into historical context how this kind of thing tends to go…
For those who don’t know - Ernst Rohm was a gay Nazi who was considered to be one of Hitler’s closest friends. He believed he would be spared even as the Nazis were gathering up homosexuals and burning research centers, because Hitler was his homie ya see.
To make a long story short he was gassed to death in a concentration camp…
Americans always seem to think that there is some kind of pan-ethinc bond between people in completely different counties, as if we weren’t all killing each other until that whole “world wars” thing.
For a lot of us, Russia and Ukraine were literally parts of the same country when we were growing up, and we used the terms Russia and the USSR pretty much interchangeably. I wasn’t aware until pretty recently that places like Baikonur, Minsk, and Chernobyl are not in Russia. Actual misdeeds committed by Russia in the Soviet era were described in vague terms and were very hard to separate from exaggerated fear mongering about communism, so I ended up knowing very little about that era. Even big things like the Holomodor were just not part of the public consciousness.
So yeah, we were very ignorant of the situation, and in many of our minds Ukraine may as well have been southwestern Russia. But those of us who aren’t idiots do at least know that the possibility of going to war with a neighboring country is inherent in the existence of separate countries, and we know from our own civil war that people of the same or similar ethnicities will absolutely go to war with each other.
*Holodomor as in “голод” - “hunger” and “мор” - “plague” or “mass dying”.
Sorry for the correction
That’s what happens when you sacrifice your cultural identity for “white American”.
For people in America who aren’t racialized it’s hard to maintain a separate cultural identity after a few generations. You wind up with a few trinkets of the culture your family came from if you don’t wind up so thoroughly blended it’s impossible to care. Like my grandpa was an immigrant and while that culture is important to me I make no mistake that if I went back to his home country I’d just be some stupid American who barely even speaks the language. What did I get from his culture? Some comfort foods, a handful of holiday traditions, and the branch of Christianity I was raised in.
And the cultures that try to have their cake and eat it too like Irish-American and Italian-American are looked at as weirdos by the countries they came from.
