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Daily reminder that IP law is fucking stupid.

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And always about protecting the hegemony of the rich and powerful.

It’s never about the struggling artist/inventor just wanting to be paid for their work as the lobbyists and the politicians they own pretend every time they want to fuck over regular people some more.

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The rich didn’t come up with the IP. It was the employees who did. They also want to get paid. Imagine someone stealing your ideas and then you losing your job over it.

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B/S. The article states that this company bought the IP from Makerbot in 2013 so nobody working there was responsible for creating these patents. This is like when people claim that piracy hurts the people working on the set of a movie. It actually doesn’t because those people were already paid their wages while the billion dollar corporations are the ones who own the rights and profit off of sales with none of that going to the workers outside of their normal wage.

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51 points

Good news is, you will never be able to stop hobbyist 3d printing.

Sorry patent trolls, you can’t make aluminum extrusion, stepper motors, an extruder, and a short circuit illegal.

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The problem is that most people aren’t making RepRap printers from scratch, they’re buying kits which has everything included.

Bambu makes decent gear, I don’t think we want to have the only option being Chinese machines which always makes compromises to make it cheaper. And that’s coming from a person who uses Chinese printers.

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I don’t think we want to have the only option being Chinese machines

When you shut everyone else down, they’re the only guys left with the freedom to do business.

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6 points

Are there any American made printers?

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7 points

Isn’t Prusa expanding to the US or something? Thought I saw it somewhere.

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6 points

a voron is american made depending on where you make it

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20 points

Umm… Wow… Wtf?

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So far, it looks like only FDM is at risk here…

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23 points

Which is most of hobbyist 3D printing. Resin printing has its issues, especially with strength

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I’m not sure what qualifies as “hobbyist” in your book, but the vast majority of hobby-level printers I’ve interacted with over the last 5+ years are into MSLA more than FDM. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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But it’s what anyone into miniatures uses due to much higher details

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18 points

And sheer toxicity. You need fume vents and air quality monitoring for processing resin.

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24 points

Almost not surprising. Inventors and R&D businesses patent things all the time, then it takes a while to claim them. There was a guy in Australia who apparently invented WiFi (he calls it “wiffey”) and he successfully asserted his patent against WiFi manufacturers worldwide such that they paid him a couple pennies in royalties for every chip manufactured.

The saving grace is that patents only last for 20 years. After that, anyone can use the design, like Gillette’s double edged safety razor (which is why their modern razors are so silly and change every few years).

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88 points

Patent trolls doing patent troll things. Stratasys no longer provides usable value to the enterprise market and they’re stagnating bad, their only hope is to start suppressing competition through overly broad, unrefined patents obviously tailored to provide a blanket market lockout.

They’ve done it before and they’ll do it again. Fuck Stratasys, uncompetitive monopolistic fucks.

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I hope it gets tossed out of court considering companies have been freely using these patents for years and their just now going after someone because Bambu has been so much more successful than a lot of the cottage-type companies who’d previously been building most printers. You can’t simply wait for a big fish to decide to start enforcing your patent rights because by then it’s been used to much without any push back that you’ve effectively given up the rights.

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You can lose trademarks if you knowingly don’t defend them but it’s pretty hard to lose a patent. Even it gets added to a standard you participate it just goes into FRAND.

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I think I got the two mixed up then. Regardless (I’m probably preaching to the choir), this seems like a ridiculous lawsuit and I hope they get sent packing.

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There is certainly a lot of precedent for them not defending patents, especially those now expired.

Unfortunately this is the Texas circuit court so any kind of critical thinking or obvious precedent won’t matter, and the biggest corporation will win by default until appealed. We will just have to hopee Bambu has the resources to survive in the US market until then, as the court will likely force a stop sale injunction or large penalties on device sales.

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Lmao, as an idiot trying to get a 20y/o stratysys running at work, I can see why they’re trying to sue.

Their machines are trash and wildly outdated, DRM spools locked into cases and disposable beds are GARBAGE.

Turns out they spent a lot of time developing the ‘cutting edge’ FDM tech from 30 years ago and can’t quite keep up with their coreXY counterparts.

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Edit: nevermind my reading comprehension is stuck at kindergarten level

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17 points

Disposable what?!?!

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The print beds are SINGLE USE injection molded ABS(I think it’s ABS, anyhow).

They snap over the heating element and seem to be a gigantic waste of resources. You can tell R&D was pushed to make their machines as profitable as possible by avoiding reusable parts.

You can’t refill their spool cassettes either without some RFID hacking.

It’s fuckin’ bogus.

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We have 3 Stratasys printers at work and yeah, you’re absolutely correct.

To add, their ‘professional’ slicer program “Insight” is the most user hostile piece of software I’ve ever laid my eyes on. Straight out of 1992 levels of awful. The workflow, the UI (if you can call it that), everything.

The other ‘user friendly’ slicer is “GrabCAD Print”, an Apple style piece of garbage. It lacks everything beyond basic functionality, yet lately they’ve been pumping it full of subscription locked features.

Honestly, fuck this company.

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The old adage: Young companies innovate while old companies litigate.

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