https://lemmy.world/c/christians
Rule 8 of this community is in clear breach of the first goal from the lemmy/mastodon.world code of conduct
Can you expand on that please? It’s a pretty open and shut case.
The current guidelines are in clear contravention of the guidelines of your instance.
Locking the thread with no detail is not an appropriate response to this.
This is a lemmy support community and the discussions should be kept to that
The sidebar of lemmy.world points to this community as the one to raise issues relating to lemmy.world
Thank you for the quick response to this, y’all haven’t let me down with a decision yet
Calm down people. It is deleted.
Edit: they can repeal this decision. If they remove that line from their rules and live by it we are up to having normal conversations even if we don’t agree with the viewpoints.
But our stance on LGBQT is clearly laid out in the instance rules. We want to provide an inclusive platform. There are enough LGBTQ people who are christians.
EDIT: The community’s moderator/owner hasn’t been online in over a month. If anyone wants to take over this community and make it follow the Lemmy World rules then contact me.
Such is internet janitor duty. Doesn’t help they’re both janitors, tech support, and management, I imagine it’s quite the handful.
Writing this from my car before going into an appointment with customers 😅
Just autoban right wingers. Their ideology is inundated by fascism and bereft of any social value and everyone with a brain knows this already. So why would we want to chat up homophobes and racists?
Do we really need to wait for each one of their individual inevitable mask off moments to realize that all of these fucks are the same? Tucker motherfucking Carlson was the face of the honest intellectual right wing before he wrapped himself in a flag and bible and started making millions on outright advancing fascism. This is who they are. We all know it. Kill baby Hitler in his crib.
To play devil’s advocate (pun not intended), this community poses an interesting quandary.
When seen in context, their rules do clearly prohibit any hate speech against the LGBTQ+ community:
Rule #5: Remember that we are all fellow image-bearers. We may disagree with people, but we are never to tear down another person’s inherent dignity and value as someone made in the image of God (Imago Dei). This includes those in the LGBTQ+ community. They need Jesus, too, just like we do, and we can’t say we represent Him while we tear down the works of His hands.
Rule #6: Banned subjects include … Anything calling for direct/indirect violence against any individual or group, including LGBTQ+ individuals or groups; …
Rule #8: This community does not affirm practiced LGBTQ+ lifestyles, with the exception of the ace/aroace (asexual/aromatic-asexual) lifestyle in certain contexts. However, abuse towards members of the LGBTQ+ community will not be tolerated. Pro-LGBTQ+ content is not allowed; however, sincere questions and discourse about LGTBQ+issues are permitted.
I’d be interested to see the admin’s ruling in this case.
That’s the ol’ “hate the sin love the sinner” shtick. It tries to separate homosexuality (the “sin”) from homosexuals (the “sinner”). If only they could stop sinning (stop being gay) they would of course be welcome!
Its not just excluding them from church/christian communities, its the theological basis for conversion camps and the like.
I would think specifically not allowing “pro-LGBTQ+ content” is being pretty bigoted. Just because it is a religious belief does not mean it can’t also be bigoted.
If this little “loophole” is enough to allow this kind of thing to stay on this instance, I would be worried. But I’ll wait and see what the admins have to say about it. Resolved: https://lemmy.world/comment/1455537
I think that would depend on what “Pro-LGBTQ+ content” means. It’s quite a vague term. Does it refer to posts, discussion topics, or what?
They do follow up by saying that serious discussion about LGBTQ+ issues is acceptable, so the fact that are open to discussion, in theory, could be a point in their defense.
Community’s gone now, so it’s a moot point, but:
Assume they allow casual images. Someone posts an image of a pride celebration out front of a church. It’s removed. Is this not obviously bigoted?
I was going to say something pretty similar to what you were.
I’m the last one to generally defend religious people, but are they actually being bigoted?
There’s a pretty large difference between not affirming something and attacking something and frankly flipping through the community I didn’t see either of those things occurring.
It sounds like the original poster just doesn’t like the rule itself.
What if it was race? What if they said “this community doesn’t affirm black lifestyles.”
It is not like we live in society where everyone is always welcome.
“What if it was Russians?” (aha we forbade them long time ago), Chinese (them too), native Americans (we killed them off), what is they are from some poor country… Some of those russians and Chinese are lgbt+, what about them? Migrants? no way.
There are always limits if you don’t see them you should work on your sensibility (or probably information source)
They have some rules, it is on us all (not only admins) to assess if those rules align with this server or they should make their own instance (or go to known conservative instance).
I don’t even want to look at their community (i am ignorant of all religions) if they just don’t want some content it is ok with me, if they are hateful and share hate content and contet against lgbt people then delete them.
I mean, we could play the game “what if they set a thing they didn’t say” all day long.
What if they said shoes go on your hands?
Pro-LGBTQ+ content is not allowed
That sounds pretty intolerant to me. How else do you define a bigot?
I’d say that sounds more like a circlejerk than intolerance but that sounds pretty gay so is probably not allowed there either.
Putting gay content on a Christian community is like putting a Pitbull in a nursery. It’s done only to cause a problem.
I think we can tag in the Paradox of Tolerance with a side of Nazi Bar on this one.
This type of “they’re intolerant, but polite” shit needs to get nipped in the bud because it metastasizes quickly, and sends out a batsignal to other intolerant groups that this will make a fine home base so long as they hide their power levels.
Cool. But why don’t we do it proactively? Like let’s go find these people that think the Bad Things. We can even wear matching shirts - I’ll go order them. Come on guys. We cannot rest while there are Bad Thoughts out there being thought by Bad People.
Being LGBT is not a lifestyle… omg
