cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26218551

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26218550

(posting to both communities)

A carnist lemmy world instance admin has stepped in and meatsplained to the mods while restoring comments that violated the community’s rules. They deleted comments that they did not agree with, citing ‘misinformation’, and threatened to demod the mods if those comments were removed again. The comments were deleted and the admin was banned from the community as per violating the rules of the community, that was until they unbanned themselves (admin abuse) and unmodded two of the moderators because of “promoting harmfull actions against pets”.

As far as it stands, if the lemmy world community wasn’t already not a safe vegan place for you (it really wasn’t) it most certainly isn’t now as carnists (lemmy world instance admin) currently mod it.

I suggest any vegan who wants a safe and welcoming space to come and interact with vegantheoryclub.org. Sorry for any inconvienance that this may have caused. I am deeply upset at the admins actions today and don’t condone them whatsoever.

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Isn’t this par for the course for lemmy.world?

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I think @Rooki@lemmy.world owes an explanation and apology. It’s fine to be invested in animal welfare, but if one learns that one is factually incorrect, then admitting it openly is the mature and responsible thing to do.

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edit: Edited my response in the original post.

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My cousin is a vet. She’s a vegan. Her cat is not nor would she ever make her cat a vegan. It just isn’t good for cats.

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Among 1,380 respondents involved in cat diet decision-making, health and nutrition was the factor considered most important. 1,369 respondents provided information relating to a single cat fed a meat-based (1,242–91%) or vegan (127–9%) diet for at least a year. We examined seven general indicators of illness. After controlling for age, sex, neutering status and primary location via regression models, the following risk reductions were associated with a vegan diet for average cats: increased veterinary visits– 7.3% reduction, medication use– 14.9% reduction, progression onto therapeutic diet– 54.7% reduction, reported veterinary assessment of being unwell– 3.6% reduction, reported veterinary assessment of more severe illness– 7.6% reduction, guardian opinion of more severe illness– 22.8% reduction. Additionally, the number of health disorders per unwell cat decreased by 15.5%. No reductions were statistically significant. We also examined the prevalence of 22 specific health disorders, using reported veterinary assessments. Forty two percent of cats fed meat, and 37% of those fed vegan diets suffered from at least one disorder. Of these 22 disorders, 15 were most common in cats fed meat, and seven in cats fed vegan diets. Only one difference was statistically significant. Considering these results overall, cats fed vegan diets tended to be healthier than cats fed meat-based diets. This trend was clear and consistent. These results largely concur with previous, similar studies.

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That is true that cats are obligate carnivore however the plant-based diet is safe for cats as long as the nutrient taurine is being provided in their food.

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We live in a day where a healthy diet can be fully synthesized, even for a human. I think the claim that a cat cannot flourish under one requires strict scrutiny and proper links to scientific articles demonstrating this finding.

edit: Because we do have evidence indicating such a diet is not harmful, so evidence that disputes this would need to exist.

https://www.mdpi.com/2306-7381/10/1/52

edit2: Another thing that occured to me that may help shed light on this: Humans have to eat food in order to survive, yes?

No, actually. We can hook you up to an IV and keep you alive for as long as we need by pumping the necessary nutrients directly into your bloodstream, bypassing your digestive tract altogether. We call this intravenous feeding.

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I had to be on IV feeding for a month last year and it felt like I was starving because I wasn’t getting any calories. I lost 20 kg in 2 weeks, despite the fact I was confined to a bed 24 hours.

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Meatsplained? Sucks you guys lost your community, but that is one of the dumbest words I’ve ever had the privilege of reading.

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You mean community.

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Seriously. I stopped reading after “meatsplained” and now am rooting for the admin.

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22 points

To me this is a case where a mod didn’t know what an admin is and found out the hard way.

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32 points

I cracked up when I read it.

Vegans and anti vegans seem to spend a lot of time on names

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That’s exactly what a carnist blood-mouth would say! /s

(I am a vegan, but the insults that I have seen from the vegan communities here are all hilarious)

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That would be a good band name, “Blood-Mouth and the Carnists” opening for “The Meatsplainers”!

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I don’t really prefer car so i’m more of a commutenist

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It’s so funny that they’re the largest instance. Only see incredible decisions coming out of there.

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I actually agree in general, but this is like the one time in recent memory I have felt like whole heartedly cheering on the Lemmy.world administration team

If some other instance wants to scoop up the animal abuse demographic now that they are ejected from .world, I think we will all survive

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Ah yes, its the people that are against harming animals that are the real animal abusers.

Feeding an animal a nutrionally complete diet: abuse

killing animals: not abuse

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Feeding an obligatory carnivore plants = abuse. End of story.

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If some other instance wants to scoop up the animal abuse demographic now that they are ejected from .world, I think we will all survive

Veganism is a philosophy and way of living that excludes all forms of animal exploitation and promotes animal-free alternatives.

That is misrepresenting the situations as vegans are the ones reducing animal abuse by not buying animals products and for holding those who do accountable.

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A philosophy that should not be forced on another animal against their nature.

There’s some hypocrisy here!

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Sounds like victim blaming imo

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Rule 2, “not about vegans or veganism” btw. Feed your pets correctly, stop trying to make them fit your philosophy. You want a vegan pet, there is hundreds of them out there already. Stop harming your cats people.

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