Note that the government isn’t talking about moving SCSs outside of their arbitrary 200m zone from schools, they’ve simply announced their outright closure.
This is the crux. I don’t really want a safe consumption site near my kids’ school or daycare. I even think 200m is probably insufficient for a distance from a school or daycare. (I don’t know what the actual distance should be, 200m just feels insufficient)
But I also want SCSs. Literally just move them. The infrastructure demand is not that intense.
So tell me, if the choice is between having the safe consumption site close to your kids’ school and having people doing their drugs in the open near your kids’ school and leaving their used needles lying on the playground, which are you going to pick? Often, these places are where they are because that’s where their clients already are.
You may also want to measure out the radius of 200m from every school or daycare in your town or city on a map and see how many places are left where they can park SCSs. I admit I haven’t actually done this, but my bet is that the options will be considerably reduced.
It’s just about inevitable that some SCSs are going to end up in someone’s backyard. Figuring out where they’ll do more good than harm is more important than enforcing arbitrary limits. This is typical right-wing “think of the children” rhetoric. Don’t fall for it.
if the choice is between having the safe consumption site close to your kids’ school and having people doing their drugs in the open near your kids’ school and leaving their used needles lying on the playground, which are you going to pick?
SCS
Often, these places are where they are because that’s where their clients already are.
Are they? Or is it just close enough the areas where underfunded volunteer organisations are able to get a physical site.
You may also want to measure out the radius of 200m from every school or daycare in your town or city on a map and see how many places are left where they can park SCSs.
This is neighborhood dependant. Somewhere like Sud-ouest in Montréal? Impossible. Somewhere like a Kingston suburb, a lot of real estate.
But that’s a great point, allow me to rephrase, the SCS sites should be an appropriate safe distance from schools; what that distance is is going to vary greatly between neighborhoods and their densities; and even the day trip programming of these schools (as an example if daycare always does their walks north to a canal which has playgrounds, then a SCS any distance along that route isn’t great, but a site to the south could be super close.
Figuring out where they’ll do more good than harm is more important than enforcing arbitrary limits.
Agreed, but this needs to be looked at holistically, not solely for the clients. That requires understanding the communities these sites are going into, and funding sites appropriately so selection isn’t based on funding.
volunteer organisations
what are you referring to as a “volunteer” organisation?
Have their been reports or stories of these drug users harming children or doing drugs in the school yard rather than the safe consumption sites? Honest question, I don’t know the answer.
What about a third choice of confiscating their very dangerous drugs?
Or a fourth choice of putting them in a drunk/drug tank for 24 hour hold with optional invite to a treatment center? I get it’s certainly not ideal to use force on people.
Why is thinking of the children not valid? Certainly they have some right to be able to walk around their neighborhood without fear.
Confiscating their drugs, forcible confinement… you serious? They’ll just get more when they get the chance; they’re addicts, and there are markets for them to find drugs, there’s no easy way of stopping addicts from getting what they need. Confiscating or 24 hour confinement just ends the immediate risk of use, there’s no saying that won’t stop them from getting another hit by the next day (or even guarantee that they haven’t already used it by the time they’re confiscated / confined).
You’re advocating for punishing people effectively for being poor and addicted to drugs. That’s kind of a fucked up opinion, and opening SCSs does not mean you aren’t thinking of the children - it’s also keeping addicts off the streets and away from exposing that lifestyle to children, but on a more humane and practical level.
I feel like if there are people shooting up in your schoolyard, then you really need a SCS within 200m.
The whole point is to move them somewhere safe to consume, for both the users and the public. Drugs can be pretty bad and make people do some bad things, from crimes to indecency. We dont need people fighting each other near schools, we dont need people relieving themselves in bushes near schools.
Did they not initially choose the sites near where there were the most problems. Like they said, if there are users doing it around the school, would you want to build a site there and have it contained, or build a site 2km away that doesnt reduce users near the school as much?
The whole point is to move them somewhere safe to consume
That’s just not correct. The point of SCSs is not to make life easier for people who are disgusted and inconvenienced by other people’s addiction and drug use. It is to prevent death. Period. Everything else, like this 200m rule, is a compromise against that goal. It literally costs lives to move these sites away from where they are needed just because other people want to try to encourage the drug users already in their area to move elsewhere. That is so clearly not the point.
